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P.B.A.
Mar 5, 2006 7:59:00 GMT -5
Post by dointime on Mar 5, 2006 7:59:00 GMT -5
I have worked for DOC for 5 yrs. I remember when I joined PBA I was thinking about how strong the PBA is up north. They really have power when it comes to contract negoteations. There haave been many days in NY when the blue flu hit the police. of course we cant do that here ...we are already so darn short on shift..but the PBA needs to take care of us.
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newwave
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SITTING BACK UNTIL THE RIGHT TIME TO ATTACK.
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P.B.A.
Mar 5, 2006 11:24:26 GMT -5
Post by newwave on Mar 5, 2006 11:24:26 GMT -5
77 the answer to your question is A. Trying to compare NY Unions and Fl Unions is impossible. Remember we live in a "right to work state". If we could have a "closed shop" it would be different. Oh well. Hope to see everyone in Talley.
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P.B.A.
Mar 6, 2006 6:38:34 GMT -5
Post by dointime on Mar 6, 2006 6:38:34 GMT -5
I would like to know what percentage of officers belong to the union. Some officers say the reason they dont belong is the dues are too high. The PBA could look at the percentage of officers in the union and then have an all out signup to get them to join. If 50 % of the officer belong cut the dues in half and make the money up by getting the other 50% of officers to join. There will always be people who wont join but after the signups the PBA can always adjust the dues. Right now the only obvious reason to join the union is to have a rep if you are under investagation. But you can get the same advise from another officer who has been through it for free. The PBA has to come up with a better reason to join. Lets face it the officers who dont belong to the PBA get the same benefits and pay as myself and the others that belong to the PBA. PBA stepup and give officers a reason to join
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P.B.A.
Mar 6, 2006 10:15:38 GMT -5
Post by corroffsgt on Mar 6, 2006 10:15:38 GMT -5
Just have that officer give you all the advice you need when your in court and charged with a crime that you did'nt do. Free to all members, life insurance, an attorney for civil or criminal suits, Professional pension consultant, a staff rep 24/7, an attorney at a shooting your involved, in or an accident that some one gets hurt or killed that you are involved in while on duty. Go out and price putting an attorney on retention for yourself and buy yourself the insurance just incase you are killed, and look at that cost and let us know how much money you save.
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conwatcher
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life is tough. it's tougher if your'e ...STUPID
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P.B.A.
Mar 6, 2006 10:35:41 GMT -5
Post by conwatcher on Mar 6, 2006 10:35:41 GMT -5
i understand that we r a right to work state but how can a union as large as PBA allow doc to get away w/ the crap it has??....i keep them because some representation is better than none. i have only had to use them 1time and got NO satisfaction. i want in trouble in ANY way or was even under the microscope. i don't claim to have the answers ,,,just trying to see if there is any way we can be MORE protected and represented BY pba.
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slipknot14
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Claude os, aperi oculos!
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P.B.A.
Mar 6, 2006 10:56:51 GMT -5
Post by slipknot14 on Mar 6, 2006 10:56:51 GMT -5
I can understand the frustrations with the pba. I have them too. But I also realize its unfortunate limitations. Right to work state, everything has to be bargained for and approved by DMS, and the fact that the state could really care less and no ability to make them. Do I wish they could do more? Yes. Do I realize that the state sucks and only will give what they want to? Yes. I am happy that we do have something because could you imagine what DOC would be like without?
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conwatcher
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life is tough. it's tougher if your'e ...STUPID
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P.B.A.
Mar 6, 2006 11:03:43 GMT -5
Post by conwatcher on Mar 6, 2006 11:03:43 GMT -5
slip,,, how right you are.....on top of that WE arent allowed to contact the media when they seem to be the only ones capable of getting the major stuff done
and what does DMS stand for ,,,,what EXACTLY does it do???
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P.B.A.
Mar 6, 2006 20:54:14 GMT -5
Post by Tazz on Mar 6, 2006 20:54:14 GMT -5
DMS-Department of Management Services. It does exactly what its name means.............manage. I will leave the sarcasm for someone else. Druid? Knuck? PS Here we go again with all the "up north" stuff
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Logan
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P.B.A.
Mar 6, 2006 21:13:42 GMT -5
Post by Logan on Mar 6, 2006 21:13:42 GMT -5
DMS, hmm. Dept. of marginal secretaries? dept. of malignant sores? Dept. of mindless schlepps? Dept. of More money, Someones pocket? Delayed Menstrual Syndrome-severely? Do Me Sailor? Doh, May, Sah-dang off key. Dum Mi Sai?---FREED, translate.
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roadrunner
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BEEP BEEP, Where's Jeemmy? BEEP BEEP, Where's Jeemmy?
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P.B.A.
Mar 17, 2006 21:18:34 GMT -5
Post by roadrunner on Mar 17, 2006 21:18:34 GMT -5
With my old age my memory is certainly failing but I recall the PBA Rep on the 1st Shift at RMC in 1978 advised me I would be represented by PBA but could not be a dues paying member until I achieved probation. I filled out the form and he could have been BSing me but I doubt it. The Step plan was passed and funded the first year, however the legislature has not funded it since. FDLE had the same bill passed for them previously and like us, was only funded once. I have not been in security for a little while but there used to be a thing called a "lapse factor". The lapse factor was a set percentage of security posts that were not filled at each facility. The salary funds were still provided for 100% of the positions and the resulting excess salary dollars in each facilities budget was used to pay for overtime and sick and annual leave payouts for people leaving the DC. Times changfe at that may have too. If I remember correctly, there was a serious budget crunch due to reduced tax revenue about 4 or 5 years ago which lead to much belt tightening, some of which was reducing promotional raises to 5%. We are way past budget crunch and where are the $. All of us who have the time to set in front of the 'puter and read these posts, can take the same time to send an e-mail or letter to his/her representative. Ask the position of the rep or senator on the various bills and even propose bills. The officer/employee should assure the rep or senator that they will be watching how they vote on bills and will vote at the next election according to if the officer was represented to his satisfaction. You will find your rep very responsive, I have, and been told by him he rarely gets more than 10 or 15 letters/e-mails from his constituants on issues before the legislature. Even half of us who read these boards would have a suprising effect but we will not know till we try. It may be easier to get the politicians to listen to us since they can no longer be wined and dined by lobbyist, in public any way.
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lizzy
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P.B.A.
Mar 18, 2006 9:34:44 GMT -5
Post by lizzy on Mar 18, 2006 9:34:44 GMT -5
my problem with PBA is this, did they trun the other check to allow Crosby and his buddies to abuse us, because it surely seems that they had to know some of the crap was wrong. However having said that I will never not be represented by them, it suicide not to have the backing when needed.
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P.B.A.
Mar 19, 2006 16:48:01 GMT -5
Post by ldcountrygirl75 on Mar 19, 2006 16:48:01 GMT -5
I have only had to use PBA once and they done an outstanding job for me. My Colonel was trying to fire me for being at the hospital 5 and 1/2 months with my 3 year old. Within 30 minutes of calling PBA, the Regional Director called me personally and apologized and asked what they could do to help. They have now given me Friday's and Saturday's off, they took the days from a new cock who didn't have 2 years in and I have 6. I truely believe that the PBA has certain situations that they just can not help people. And I am sure these situations are because of what the officer's do. Also, you have certain PBA reps that are outstanding and some that are not worth a hoot!! I guess it all depends on which rep that you get!!!
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P.B.A.
Mar 19, 2006 19:13:56 GMT -5
Post by corroffsgt on Mar 19, 2006 19:13:56 GMT -5
Roadrunner we all are getting old too. But you are right all but talking to a PBA rep in 1978, as we didn't vote in PBA untill 1983. They became our union in 1984. That was a (asfme) or something like it, rep you talked to. I just E-mail my Representative Will Kendrick and Senator Nancy Argenziano. I hope you have started a trend for others to follow. Keep up the great work. And thank you!
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P.B.A.
Mar 20, 2006 0:54:42 GMT -5
Post by knuckledragger on Mar 20, 2006 0:54:42 GMT -5
The ONLY reason why I bother with P.B.A. is in case I need their legal help. B.T.W., beings as im a Yankee, and not as sharp as ya'll from the South, what does "Right to Work State" mean? I know what "Shall Issue" means when it comes to guns though, lol.
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P.B.A.
Mar 21, 2006 12:22:43 GMT -5
Post by razorsedge on Mar 21, 2006 12:22:43 GMT -5
Joined the first day we kicked AFSME to the curb. The growing pains are over, we are in the big league now. It's an "OPEN State", how much influence do they have??? Only, what is allowed!!! The PEOPLE are the voice of the union regardless if some of the representatives are smoozing with the Administration. Make a difference and E-mail congressmen, senators, local politicians and let them know what we really stand for! Stop complaining and get busy - make a difference or your just part of the problem.
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