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Post by truthtracker on Jul 6, 2012 10:33:14 GMT -5
Also the 3-90 is bull it's only enforced because staff didn't contest it. You cannot be disciplined for what the state gives you. Meaning they give 8 hours a month (3-90) where the discipline comes in is when you use for example 4 in 90 that's more than the state gives, so they get you with excessive absenteeism is the correct language for the discipline. So if anyone received discipline for 3 in 90 it's because they didn't fight it.
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Post by Mr Hat on Jul 6, 2012 14:20:41 GMT -5
The difference with PBA and the teamsters, I was a PBA rep before, and AM a Teamster Steward NOW.
PBA hardly communicated with us through E-Mail about issues that arose across the state, or gave us any insight as what to communicate to it's members, maybe getting an email once every other month, if lucky. Teamsters continually communicate with us about issues that arise across the state, tell us the outcome, email us several times a day, and always guide us in what to tell members.
PBA told us as representatives, to simply listen to members with issues, disputes or grievances, and refer them to the PAID PBA representative, so as to not involve us in any way. Teamsters will not only jump in, but if YOU as a steward have the ability to go to bat for someone, then why involve a business agent unless necessary?
PBA always used a small group of attorneys to negotiate ANYTHING for us, contractual or grievances. Us as members, usually never had the ability to voice our opinions directly with this panel of attorneys, and were never invited to these negotiation sessions, as a vast majority of them took place through telephonic meetings. The teamsters are not only allowing it's members to sit on the sidelines in these meetings, but along fellow Officers to negotiate for the very contract we have presently. Several officers spent many weeks in Tallahassee negotiating the contract, as did several officers spent time meeting with legislature to get their point across.
PBA didn't fight for membership because they knew that no matter how strong or active the few members they DID have, that the mass amount of non members, or inactive due's paying members would just take whatever they had coming for good or bad. PBA knew that a lot of their active members wouldn't do anything either for fear of reprisals from not only their local administrations, but the state as a whole. You may complain and gripe, but because you did nothing, the PBA didn't care. The Teamsters are pushing to get membership because they want to be able to help us. The only issue we have with this is that they are giving us the tools to help ourselves, and many people are afraid to stand up for their rights and the rights of their fellow officers, the same attitude we had with the PBA. Too many people are lazy and will sit back and wait for the positives, but only see the negatives and won't do a damned thing to fight them.
You may think because this is a "Right to work" state that a union has no power. Fact of the matter is you look at any other local, any other successful union, anywhere in this country, you will see that 90% of the union staff also hold or held positions within the very industries that they represent. The fact of the matter is that the Teamsters want us to be able to do for ourselves what we never have done or been able to do in the past. They are giving us the tools to step up and be heard. They eventually want us to elect not just stewards, but business agents, and everyone on up to the top from within our OWN agency.
The problem we have today is too many people fall silent and take whatever is coming their way. They don't want to fight for what's right, only complain about what's wrong. Sad thing is, I'm within that age group. So I say to you, next time you complain about something not being done, or not being changed, ask yourself this, what did you do to fight for it? What did you do to change it? If you can't come up with a thing, then you don't truly have the right to complain to begin with.
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Post by truthtracker on Jul 6, 2012 16:15:48 GMT -5
Blah, Blah,Blah the same argument over and over PBA or Teamsters members pay for you to do something that's what due's are for SO DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Mr Hat on Jul 6, 2012 17:34:00 GMT -5
JOIN ME then truthtracker. Or are you too afraid to walk into a politician's office and tell then why and how they are full of crap? Another person who just want's to enjoy a free ride.
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Post by truthtracker on Jul 6, 2012 18:30:22 GMT -5
Let's ride brother, been there many times.
Hardchargers LEMC FL II.
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Post by highlander on Jul 6, 2012 18:30:35 GMT -5
Exactly truth. I pay dues for teamsters to fight for me. Not for me to have to do everything myself.
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Post by highlander on Jul 7, 2012 3:17:57 GMT -5
I pay dues for professional representarion, not for the tools to help myself.
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Post by metsfan on Jul 7, 2012 9:36:50 GMT -5
I pay dues for professional representarion, not for the tools to help myself. and you got that from the PBA??
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Post by highlander on Jul 7, 2012 17:22:01 GMT -5
Yes, at a matter of fact it was. With teamsters I get someone who has done a steward training and all of a sudden they are an expert?
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Post by Mr Hat on Jul 7, 2012 22:20:23 GMT -5
Yes, at a matter of fact it was. With teamsters I get someone who has done a steward training and all of a sudden they are an expert? A Steward can only represent you to Step 1. Before it gets to predetermination it is bumped up to a Business Agent and legal. Have you even had to file a grievance yet, or are you going solely on guessing how it'll end up? Basically the only thing a Steward is there to do is take your initial complaint, try to verbally get the Captain/Chief/Warden to see reason and do the right thing, and if that doesn't solve the problem, to file the actual grievance which gets the BA involved. A Steward is mainly a point of contact for staff, and a way for the Business Agent to not be overwhelmed with easily solved complaints. When the PBA had it, they had reps at the institution too (allegedly) that did the same thing....just everybody called their equivalent of a business agent first, and usually got the runaround. If you have a personal grudge against your shifts Steward, get over it or call one of the other ones. The guys that did things for the PBA were just Officers, Sergeants, Lieutenants and Captains that got training too. Sometimes it seems like you guys think you should be able to sit back and be disgruntled while some well trained, high paid, suit wearing fairy comes in and sprinkles magical "its all better" dust over everything on your behalf. The real world doesn't work that way. I'm sorry to say this, but you are probably wasting your breath and words on these guys. We try to explain it to them, but they just want to sit back, and reap the benefits of those of us who actually give a damned, and complain when it doesn't go their way. Sorry to paint it that blunt, but that's how I see it. I've dealt far too long with people who want to sit on the sidelines. They complain, gripe, moan and groan, but do NOTHING. They don't complain to someone to have anything done, they don't write up or grieve things as they complain, they just complain, hoping someone will come in and fix their problems. I will do what I have always done, and fight for what is right. If they want to sit back and complain when we loose, so be it. I blame them for not coming forward with those of us who stand up, due to their lack of initiative, or lack of action. I just keep at it and eventually even they too, will see what is really going on.
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Post by lawton on Jul 8, 2012 9:38:10 GMT -5
Hopefully the naive people the Teamsters have looking out for DC Officers can get the special comp thing changed back. Go to the Florida site and our proposed contract is the only one with the 240 special comp hours mention crossed out with lines and the nearly useless Teamsters appear to have made us the only Officers that work for the state of Florida that are being told to use the 240 already buit up prior to July 2012. It appears FDLE, FHP and the rest all still show it in their proposed PBA contracts and it is just lined through in ours.
Lets see the Teamsters always argue that every state employee is getting nailed also but lets see them explain why DC Officers are the only state officers being told to do this it appears ?
From the Teamsters own article on the subject at FDOC Teamsters site.
It appears the Teamsters are using their own failures as a recruiting tool and that mention of police association is them admitting that they weren't caught with their guard down in negotiations like the Teamsters appear to have been on special comp. I still haven't heard of any other State Officers except for DC Officers represented by Teamsters getting this memo on using that 240 already built up.
" As you read this update, how many of you are part of the 75 percent with the highest special comp balances, who have not joined Teamsters Local Union 2011? This legal and political battle cannot be won without adequate resources: a large number of union members and the financial means to strike back!
This is not about any differences between the Teamsters and the police association. "
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Post by lawton on Jul 8, 2012 9:41:40 GMT -5
I pay dues for professional representarion, not for the tools to help myself. and you got that from the PBA?? ;D Well the PBA proposed contracts still have the 240 hours mentioned at least and not totally lined through like our Teamsters proposed contract and we actually got more than most state employees under PBA some years while we have taken the biggest hits with Teamsters this year - this being another - hopefully their naive reps can get this reversed after getting played by the state for fools it appears.
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Post by lawton on Jul 8, 2012 10:35:50 GMT -5
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Post by truthtracker on Jul 8, 2012 11:09:44 GMT -5
And they lined through the 2 years in class you can't be moved. Now they can move any time they want as long as they put 2 shifts between the change.
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Post by lawton on Jul 8, 2012 11:29:29 GMT -5
No it doesnt go to the state site and look at the actual proposed full contracts pending. The 240 is mentioned at least in the proposed PBA contracts and is lined out in the Teamsters contract for DC Officers and FHP and FDLE and the rest haven't got any memo telling them anything about using the 240 already built up. fdocteamsters.org/sites/fdocteamsters.org/files/fdoc_contract_05182012.pdfThe Teamsters contract - Artilce 23 (c) all mention of 240 hours lined through period. What doesn't go to the state site? The link? It goes to the PBA site, just as yours goes to the Teamsters site. As for the FDLE/FHP not getting any memo about using the 240, I cant speak to that since I haven't heard one way or another. Since DMS and PeopleFirst regulates all of us, I'd expect it to be forthcoming if it hasn't already come out (but not been publicized). PBA agreement article 18 Section 6(B) lines out mention of 240hrs just as ours did, to be replaced by B(1)'s identical rewording in each. Our mention of 240hrs was in B(2), where the FHP had no B(2). The FHP's 240 cap was in B by itself. Both were struck out. Look at your own link at least the 240 is mentioned thereand look at my post now and there is a link to FHP's most recent impasse contract listed on the state site and the 240 is in there also. The bottom line is the 240 is at least mentioned in PBA's contracts and in your link of changes while its entirely out of the Teamsters proposed contract it appears. That is probably one reason we are being told about using the 240 and other state officers aren't.
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