Religion

[Warren]

Let's get back on the topic guyss.

[knuckledragger]

Don't know if any of you caught the show on the History channel about the Exodus last week. It was pretty interesting. It was suggested that Moses didnt part the RED sea, but rather the REED sea. And that Moses in fact, didnt part anything , but just got lucky in crossing before the tide came in. It was suggested through scientific study, that the translation was wrong. Figures, thats why I dont put much stock in the Bible. Any thoughts if it was the RED sea or the REED sea that was really parted? Or for that matter, if anything was parted at all?

[jb2334]

Knuck, I've heard several different explanations for the parting of some sea...A hurricane was one, a drought causing a sandbar in the middle is another...

[Tazz]

From the Thomas More Law Center


Tue, Oct 10, 2006





According To Some Federal Courts And Public Schools: Christianity Out, Islam In

ANN ARBOR, MI – A three-week intensive indoctrination into the Islamic faith by a California public school district was allowed to stand by the U. S. Supreme Court last week. A California federal trial court and the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals had earlier ruled that such indoctrination was constitutional.

The Thomas More Law Center, a national public interest law firm based in Ann Arbor, Michigan, outraged by the obvious double standard in the application of the Establishment Clause jurisprudence by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, which has held “under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional, but allows this kind of Islamic instruction in public schools, had requested that the Supreme Court review the case.

The materials used by Byron Union School District seventh graders stated, “From the beginning, you and your classmates will become Muslims.” Students were instructed to accept as “fact” that Jihad is “a struggle by Muslims against oppression, invasion, and injustice,” and to accept as “truth” that the Koran “is God’s word as revealed to the Prophet Muhammad.” Students were taught the five duties (Pillars of Faith) all Muslims must fulfill and were required to complete a project for each duty, including fasting, in order to pass.

According to Richard Thompson, President and Chief Counsel of the Law Center, “This three-week course was for the most part propaganda that could be used to unwittingly recruit home grown terrorist. Nevertheless, some public schools are allowing this kind of religious instruction under the guise of diversity instruction.”

Impressionable twelve-year-old students were required to take Islamic names, wear identification tags that displayed their new Islamic name and the Star and Crescent Moon. Students also were handed materials that instructed them to “remember Allah always so that you may prosper,” and memorized and recited the “Bismillah” or “In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate,” which students also wrote on banners that were hung on the classroom walls. Students also had to memorize parts of Islamic prayers and verses from the Koran.

Thompson continued, “No federal court would have permitted a class where public school students were taught to ‘become Catholics’ for three weeks, selected a saint’s name, wore identification tags that displayed their new name and a Crucifix, and engaged in Catholic religious practices. Here, however, students were subjected to Islamic religious indoctrination and propaganda and the courts turned a blind eye. The Supreme Court missed an opportunity to demonstrate that the Establishment Clause is to be applied the same to all religions and is not just a weapon to be used only against Christians.”

Edward L. White III, trial counsel with the Thomas More Law Center who handled the case, commented, “I am surprised the Supreme Court did not accept this case for review. The case presented significant issues of national importance concerning public school education and religious indoctrination of children.”

The Thomas More Law Center defends and promotes the religious freedom of Christians, time-honored family values, and the sanctity of human life through education, litigation, and related activities. It does not charge for its services. The Law Center is supported by contributions from individuals, corporations and foundations, and is recognized by the IRS as a section 501(c)(3) organization. You may reach the Thomas More Law Center at [phone] or visit our website at www.thomasmore.org.

[jb2334]

....and this is why California will someday fall into the sea, taking liberal wackos and Hollywood (same thing) with it.....The judges on the 9th District Court of Appeals should all be tried as anti-American, because thats what their rulings are...this is the same court that took "Under God" out of the Pledge...

I'm tired of these tree-hugging fools telling us that "Maybe if we understand Islam a little more, they won't want to kill us as much." Don't these people realize we can understand Islam all we want, and they will still hate us....They hate our freedoms, the freedom of speach, press, and women...it drives them insane...The only way the end this is to wipe Islamic Fundamentalists off the earth....

Then again, wiping Christian and Hebrew fundamentalists off the earth would help also....

[lizzy]

Thought I would bring this topic to the front again.
Halloween the eve of All Saints Day is coming.
What are your beliefs about Halloween?

[jester321]

Pagan Holiday given or allowed to satisfy a sect of non- Christian believers.

But I do enjoy the candy. ;D

[brucifer]

All religions have thru the beginning of time have tried to wipe each other off the face of the earth in the name of GOD. That's why I'm a CHRISTIAN and NOT RELIGIOUS. I hope you can understand that concept. GOD bless all. Brucifer

[jb2334]

Brucifer...karma to you...

I too am a Christian who does not practice his religion. I believe faith in our Lord and trying to live your life as you think he/she would want you to is the only thing our Lord requires. Churches and their like were created by priests in ancient times as a money making scam, their purpose to frighten the people into thinking that if they didn't give their money to the church, they would burn in Hell.

[grouchymom]

Me too Goon. I was born and raised Catholic but when I became an adult I had a lot of unanswered questions a so I quit going to a brick and mortar church. Then when the kids were young we started taking them to church. Went for quite a while until one day we had dinner on the grounds and as we were standing there talking to the preacher's wife, the preacher walked up to her and talked to her like she was a dog. I looked at my old man and he looked at me and that was the last of us going to a so-called church. We always encouraged the children to go and did not care what church it was. We taught them to respect and love each other and their neighbors. Also to treat others are you would want others to treat you, not to look down on people and repect others opinions and religions. The good Lord has blessed us and our children have grown up to be good people and productive adults. I still pray every day and have a strong love for my Lord amd God but I don't have to got to church to prove it to anybody. My heart is at peace.

[jb2334]

I think that faith is all that God wants and expects from us. There has always been rumors about the lost book of the Bible, which is supposed to be the prophecy according to Christ himself. In those writings, it has been said that you don't need to go to a church (I think the wording was mansion) to praise Him and love Him. These writings of course disappeared, and other books in the Bible were altered by the church.

If you read history of ancient times all the way through the middle ages, it was always the priests, bishops, etc. who were the rich noblemen. For most of the previous millenia, the pope was the most powerful man in the world. Money and power. Something that you don't liken to the Lord. Where did they get their money? The poor people they scared into giving money to the church.

Some churches still require tithings. I worked with a guy whose family always gave 15 percent to the Baptist church they belonged to. He also said that a minimum of 10 percent was expected. Where does this money go? I can't believe people are that duh!

We as humans often say money can't buy you love, why would some think that it would buy the love of the Lord?

[oldtimer]

my 2 cents worth.......i was raised Mormon till i was 16......went thru the sixties as a teen and then the 70's with the free love movement where everyone was looking for something spirital........in my 30's and on........i have attended....holiness....assembley of god...carismatic churches......episcopalian...batitst (freewill, southern and first) and methodist......have studied all doctrines and for me i am spiritual......not religious or a labeled christian......i too have seen hypocrisy; in all chruches.......to me a relationship with god is personal.....i feel Jesus died on the cross for all........i do believe we are saved by grace and not works.......so i like brucifer, i try to live my life to hope i please him...........

[knuckledragger]

Anyone notice that this year, NOTHING has the word Christmas in it? It's all "Happy Holidays." T.v. advertisements, store advertisements, even holiday decorations on the street don't have "Merry Christmas," in it. Hell, used to be you'd see a Christmas tree and a Menorah (at least where I come from) on light post's and store fronts to celebrate Christmas and Hanukkah. Are we slowly becoming prisoners of the Politically Correct police, that we can no longer display decorations of our favorite holidays for fear that someone might take offense? I am not a Christian, Jew or Muslim. But I believe in this country, one should have the right to display whatever they want for the holidays. And if you take offense to the sight of a Christmas tree, Menorah, or Crescent Moon and star, then don't f*cking look! ;D

[CooL HanD]

Knuckledragger I agree fully, however, This country was founded on Christian principals. And as a (Political correct) society, I feel we've managed to move too far into left field and allowed those people that would normaly be ostrasized from a village back in the day to become the voice of America. Yes we've taken Christ outta Christmas, the Ten Commandments outta federal buildings..etc.. there are Gay churches, I mean DAMN!! how much more ****ed up is America gonna get??

[cwiz]

In my studies I have found out that ,

Religion causes war Spirituality causes growth and

Religon is for people afraid of going to hell, and Spirituallity is for those who have been there..