Religion

[canopener]

israel.. and that leash has been let loose.. they will attack iran within a year according to intelligence sources..israel doesn't want a nation that is a declared enemy of them to possess nuclear weapons.. I can't blame them..in october the new radical president of iran said israel deserves to be 'wiped off the map'..

[Tazz]

It is my opinion that Israel has kept their might on a leash for too long. They are literally surrounded by Muslim countries and are hated by all Muslims. The Bible is clear in that Israel was to be ressurected twice. That happened in the last 50 or so years. 1949 I think? All this stuff we are seeing now is prophecy materializing before our eyes. The aligning of the nations against Israel has not happened yet, but it is coming. The resurrection of Babylon is certainly online with the formation of the EU. All the "one world order" is becoming more of a reality everyday. The EU even has one currency now. Interesting? I think so!

The book of Daniel will scare the Bejeezus out of anyone who isn't familiar with end times. People are afraid of Revelations because they cannot understand it. It was written in code by John while he was held captive on the island of Patmos. He didn't want his captors to know what he was writing. It is a very exciting, explosive and dangerous time we live in.

All the recent archaeological finds have gained attention finally! David's palace, Absolom's tomb, mosaic floor believed to be the ORIGINAL church, the pool of Shilom, etc. I am about to burst with excitement!

Speaking of Bible verses Knuckledragger, did you know there is a Bible verse that specifically identifies the "left" as evil?

[grouchymom]

According to my two history buffs Israel is the most powerful(military) and the United States is keeping Israel on a leash.

[knuckledragger]

All of you will be getting your karma's when it will allow me to do so. Outstanding!

[grouchymom]

Thank-you.

[canopener]

yes israel has the best military in the middle east but the gap between them and their enemies has narrowed..israel still has a far superior air force (their pilots often win mock dog fights against US pilots)..they have super special forces as well..iran has developed an accurate missle capable of accurately hitting israel and iran is actively building a nuclear bomb..

in 1981, another enemy of israel, iraq, under their new and young leader named saddam hussein was almost finished developing a nuclear bomb when israel launched a surprise attack on iraq and destroyed the french built nuclear reactor (osirik) thus setting back iraq's ability to develop nuclear weapons another 20 years..iran was at the time at war with iraq after being attacked by saddam and had tried 50 times to hit that nuclear reactor without success.. israel hit it and destoryed it on the first try even though they had to fly over enemy territory (jordan) undetected and twice as far as the iranians..the world condemned israel for this 'unprovoked' attack including the US in a united nations resolution..

a few years later, saddam used chemical weapons on the kurds including women and children and on iranian soldiers near basra...looks to me that israel saw what a madman saddam was before anyone else realised it..

israel was attacked in 1948 when they were given statehood, attacked in 1956 by arab nations with much larger populations and militaries such as egypt, jordan, and syria (israel prevailed)..then they were attacked in 1967 and they destroyed the egyptian air force and syrian air force within 24 hours..saddam sent troops to help syria and israel sent his men back in body bags.. 1973 was the closest israel came to defeat after they were surprise attacked by egypt (huge and powerful nation) and syria..when israel finally beat back the invading armies which once again included iraqis, the soviets sent troops and said they would invade..nixon went to a high nuclear alert and the soviets reconsidered..

now iran, which has emerged as an extremely powerful nation, is threatening israel simply because of biblical and religious hatred..based on the holocaust and the last 50 years, I certainly think israel has every right to be on a constant state of readiness.

[Tazz]

Absolutely Canopener! Nations are divesting from Israel on a daily basis. The Bible gave warning about hating Israel. Never turn your back on Israel. It is small but it is very powerful because they are Gods' chosen people.

The Bible verse I was referring to is Ecclesiastes 10:2.

"A wise mans' heart is on his right, but a fools' on his left".

Now I have to go to Wal Mart! Boo!

[knuckledragger]

Hey Canopener, you forgot one thing. The U.S. backed our good buddy Saddam during their war with Iran. I think the U.N. is the "new world order" that is somewhat mentioned in Revelation's. I say the U.N. can suck my dick, my whole dick, and nothing but my dick! ;D

[canopener]

actually the Reagan administration wanted a stalemate and one where both nations destroyed each others militaries.. they tacitly supported both sides...iran contra ring a bell?

the soviets and french supported iraq far more than any other nation.

[Tazz]

If I had one, they could mine too! But, the UN is just scratching the surface of the one world order. EU is where it's happening quickly!


Anyone liking physical punishment or a mental roller coaster ride..................go to Wal-Mart.

[steamroller]

you are right about the UN and when it is toppled them you better have your act together....glad to finally agree with you Knuck...but darn do you have to use all that foul language.

[livetoride]

knuckledragger: you live a dangerous life if your two favorite topics of discussion are religion and politics.

On a serious note, after reading Tazz' and your knowledgeable posts - is it just me - or is part of the problem with the 3 major religions today the fact that they each became "political" not long after their inception? This would seem to explain the "sects" and schisms among each of them - each political sub entity vying for their position (interpretation of "correct belief") being the right or only one.

From reading various historical accounts regarding the "politics" of the ancient catholic church, I can only assume such "politics" were involved with the Jews and Muslims as well.

Saw on CNN this morning where one of the larger churches in Tampa was encouraging it's congregation to boycott stores that were being politically correct in using the term "holiday" season instead of Christmas. About time!

[Tazz]

In our politically correct world, it is definitely about time that some of these "creeps" leave the Christmas Season alone for those of us who believe. We have to endure all this other stuff at work; Muslim stuff, Jewish stuff, and all that other "stuff".

To me, most of the mainstream Christian denominations agree that Jesus Christ was born to us for salvation. They just choose different ways in worshipping. And that's what its all about. In any case, are any of you aware of all the Bibles that are available now for homosexuals? I wish I had made a mental note of where I saw that because then I could direct you to find one.

Liberal America. Turning God into something that fits whatever makes them comfortable. We are to change in Gods' eyes........it is wrong to try and change Him to fit our heart.

[grouchymom]

On the subject of religion/politics and the middle east, my husband spent 42 months in Libya in the late 50s, early 60s. As a result of living amoung the Arabs in Tripoli, he gained some understanding of their culture but sadly not much about their religion specifically although he says it was evident most were practicing Muslims. Because most of his interest in history relates to ancient history and wars, religion is only an issue to him as it relates to it causing wars, such as the Crusades mentioned earlier or the Europeans kicking the Muslims out of Spain. His opinion is that various Muslim sects have been fighting each other for centuries and are unlikely to stop any time soon. The greatest problem (mind you I did not say danger) we face in Iraq is not the terrorists but convincing the various sects that they will achieve more as a nation united than by one sect seizing control of the government and imposing laws based only on a particulasr groups interpretation of religious texts. In the U.S. we have some of every religion on earth being able to practive their religion openly and without engaging in bloodletting to impose one religion on another. Were we to try to administer our government and laws based on the Bible, we might experience the same problems occuring in the Middle East. Without seperation of Church and State, we could have a mess on our hands because it would not be unlikely that the dominate religious group would impose views, laws and holidays they believed in and outlaw everone elses - surely civil war would result. My politically incorrect and non-religion practicing husband cannot understand why most religious groups including Jews, Muslims and Christians believe in one and the same supreme being by different names but want to kill each other over who the messenger was/is. Kinda reminds him of, "if you don't like the message, kill the messenger'.

[Tazz]

As I said earlier, the only reason the Muslims have not taken over the world is simple. The different sects CANNOT unite. All the in-fighting began almost immediately after Muhammad died several centuries ago. The particular sects even trace back to that time and is very twisted. Muhammad's rightful hier was passed over at that time. The religion was split then. Muhammad's wife (think her name was Khadijah) had a son or something that should had been hier, but wasn't. I will have to dig out books...........I can't remember exactly.

I will not enocurage them to get along. The longer they fight, the better I like it.