lizzy
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Post by lizzy on Jan 14, 2006 21:56:51 GMT -5
I am taking the kids to go see this on MOnday, will let you all know if it is as good as I anticipate it to be.
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Post by knuckledragger on Jan 15, 2006 1:06:46 GMT -5
Well Tazz, I would have to disagree with you on it's the Bibles job to teach kids right from wrong. It's the parent's job. If the parents have no moral compass, no book or church will be of any use to them. They (kids) wont give two shits about some old book or some place you go to be bored to death. As a parent myself, I can freely say that.  |
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Post by wizardborn1 on Jan 15, 2006 3:21:33 GMT -5
Here, here. I will second that, Knuckledragger. And by the way, I promoted you for your reply to the kid about his questions. You piqued his interest enough to do more study and all these bright young ones could benefit from that. So cheers to you, Knuck.
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lizzy
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Post by lizzy on Jan 15, 2006 8:26:22 GMT -5
I will agree to a point. As a parent it is my job not only to move my children closer to Christ, but to put them in a position to be moved by Christ. How do I do that, many ways, by my words actions, deeds, and with the help of the bible.Have a great day, time to move the kids out of bed, and get them moving to church.
Peace
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Post by knuckledragger on Jan 15, 2006 14:23:45 GMT -5
O.K., I'm probably gonna catch Hell for this, but here it goes. If one pushes their kid too much into believing what the parent's believe, it is almost certainly inevitable that the kid(s) will rebel. To me it's o.k. to bring them up at a young age with the church, but sooner or later as they get older, they will start to ask question's you will not have an answer for. They will ask question's no one can answer. When this happens, I think it's time to let them decide for themselves in what they want to "believe" in. The Bible is fatally flawed. As I have said before, it was written by man and has been tampered with so much by the powers that be, that it is full of more holes than swiss cheese. This is why I think the Apocrypha's and other "banished" texts are so important. Helps to fill in the holes that the church has put into the Bible. Anyone who thinks the Bible, especially the King James version, is the word of God and or Jesus is walking around with their eyes wide shut. With that being said, I think that one should allow their children to delve into the books that have been taken out. It is my belief that my daughter will find it more interesting to read and possibly learn from if she has access to ALL literature concerning the Bible and Christianity. Not just from some book that holier than thou, power hungry,megalomaniac assholes have destroyed. |
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Post by knuckledragger on Jan 15, 2006 14:42:11 GMT -5
Hmmmm...Maybe I should start my own congregation. I can beat the I.R.S. and pass out the collection plate to fund my new Mercedes. Nah, just kidding! I seriously doubt anyone would want to come to my church to discover new things that may ultimately shake their faith in their chosen religion anyway or shed new light on it. But, if I did start a church, what would it be called? ;D
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Post by grouchymom on Jan 15, 2006 16:58:51 GMT -5
How about "The Church of Hard Knucks."?
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Post by Tazz on Jan 15, 2006 17:51:27 GMT -5
"Knuckledraggin' Educational Center"
It is the parents' job to raise their children with certain morals. There are things children must learn on their own. Humility, embarassment, etc. etc. But I still believe the Bible as the superior tool for teaching children. Notice I didn't say "ram it down their throat".
I am not angry with you Knuck. Look at it this way, if your belief is right then nobody has anything to lose. If my belief is right then a whole bunch of people have an entire eternity to lose.
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Post by knuckledragger on Jan 16, 2006 0:52:33 GMT -5
That's just the thing. Nobody is right, and nobody is wrong. Nothing can be proven. That's why it's called FAITH.  |
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Post by Tazz on Jan 16, 2006 4:00:59 GMT -5
You are absolutely right Knuck except for one thing. Someone has to be right.
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Post by there6768 on Jan 16, 2006 8:37:12 GMT -5
I can no longer hold out on this thread. I have read it "religiously", and love it. I'm not much on posts, due to not being very verbal, but I have to jump-in. Knuckledragger I don't have your intellect, and I have no idea what God has in store for you, but I remember another man who was a theologian, but didn't believe what he heared about Jesus either. "That is" until he met him on the road to Damascus. The Christian World changed forever after that little meeting. I pray that God will be able to use your vast knowledge in some great way also.
Next, you said that the Bible does not say that God and Jesus are one, (or something like that). Please read 1 John 5 with verse 7 for emphasis. I quote: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
Maybe using Word in place of Jesus causes dibelief. John also wrote in his Gospel about the Word becoming flesh. I choose to believe that is Jesus. Of course thats easy for me.
I agree with you on organized religion to a point. We need the church family for many things that you simply can't get elsewhere. But few churches offer any real ministry. I also agree with you on the parents being the teachers and molders of the children, spiritual, morally, and physically. Sadly that to is lacking in a lot of homes, so it is left to others.
So Knuckle, planning a trip to Damascus soon?
Tazz, I am nowhere in your league either, but I want to throw something at you. I gather that you are looking for the rapture to take you home to heaven before the tribulation period. In other words you believe that Revalation is a future event. Well, I'm just wondering why the New Testament writers all thought that Jesus would return in their life time. Even Rev. 1:1 said that it must shortly come to pass, and verse 3 says "for the time is a hand." In Rev. 22: 12 Jesus says: "And behold I come quickly and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be." That last part about the reward for man's work, you will find in Matthew 16: 27, 28, but there He says, some of the disciples will still be alive when that happens. There are about a 100 verses, (I can produce them), that seem to say that most of writers of the NT thought that Jesus was coming back in their life time. If so and that event is still future, were they wrong? If so where is the inspiration? Was Revalation really written in 98 AD? What happen in 70 AD?
Tazz your thoughts please.
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Post by Tazz on Jan 16, 2006 10:26:39 GMT -5
You are certainly not "out of my league". I am not a Bible scholar by any stretch of the imagination. I just do alot of reading. I believe Revelation was penned around A.D. 95. I say that only because more than one reference book records that date. Perhaps we will never know the true date.
I think the disciples were wrong just like every generation since then. I do believe Christ will return when God says so. We were not given a date, just a time line. Each generation has had their own "increases in knowledge", the Middle East has been rockin' and rollin' forever, Timothy 2 Ch. 3 v.1-4 are definitely more true now than ever, and the Jews are returning to Israel in record numbers. I don't believe it will happen anytime real soon because some of the events mentioned in the Bible have not emerged YET. Some of these events need time to materialize. "Muslim" is a key word here. I would also like to add that 1000 years to us compares to 1 day with God.
Are you referring to anything inparticular that happened in A.D. 70? That was somewhere around the time the book of Acts was written; "the day God showed up". Or shoot, maybe I am off ten years or so.............DUH!
It will be interesting to see what 2007 since it will be a "generation" since the 7 day war in 1967 between Israel and the Palestinians. Hmmmmmmm
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Post by knuckledragger on Jan 16, 2006 12:11:22 GMT -5
I have been compared to many thing's in life, but not a theologian, lol. Maybe an a*s hole or motherf*cker, but certainly not that. I will take that as a compliment. As I have previously stated, the Bible as we know it is full of holes. This is why I choose to read the books that have been taken out as well (hence the "holes"). I still keep in mind though, that religion is a man made concept. Man is the only animal that "needs" something to believe in to justify his existence or perhaps fate after life as we know it. I certainly do believe in God, just not the stereotypical version. I believe we are ALL part of God. Don't know if that makes any sense. And I believe God can do whatever he likes, but tends not to inter fer for the most part. Does he? Of course, but not for everybody or everything. I think based on my own insignificance in the big picture of things, I am living proof that on rare occasion he does. We are the only creature God gave free will to. Make of that what you will. |
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Post by Tazz on Jan 16, 2006 15:31:34 GMT -5
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Post by knuckledragger on Jan 16, 2006 16:58:01 GMT -5
Tazz, whatcha mean by what am I smoking??? A cowboy killer is the only thing I smoke. Don't worry about the spelling of certain words in my last post. Lance will edit it. Probably get a warning here soon for it, lol. But then again, maybe some thing's get past the censoring because I am a holy man , not to mention the left hand of God, LOL!  |
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