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Post by lawton on Jun 13, 2013 19:51:12 GMT -5
Only the officers who have quit are getting paid. The rest of us are getting special comp. Is your turnover low enough there where you can actually take much special comp ? Its hard to get time off down where I am out still. I heard up there it isn't as bad. You guys deserve it.
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Post by Drauka on Jun 13, 2013 20:46:40 GMT -5
Only the officers who have quit are getting paid. The rest of us are getting special comp. Not supposed to be special comp. The way I was told, it was ordered to be FLSA leave that if they don't let you use by a certain time, they have to pay you for. The way everyone is supposed to be given leave when they work overtime and opt for leave instead of cash according to labor law. Not really sure what the time frame is that was agreed to, but if I remember right it was long enough that they should be able to adjust out most of the people that are getting it. (From the department of state: Leave-Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) Comp (hours type 0085). Accrued leave an employee can use for any personal reason when approved by the supervisor. This leave may be earned by included employees that elect to accrue this leave in lieu of receiving overtime payment. )
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Post by highlander on Jun 14, 2013 6:47:18 GMT -5
No, it's impossible to get a day off. People are losing leave and their personal holidays.
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Post by lawton on Jun 14, 2013 17:24:02 GMT -5
No, it's impossible to get a day off. People are losing leave and their personal holidays. That is a joke and hopefully something is done about it. I took my personal holiday right when the fiscal year started - are they making us use SC before that personal day now ?
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Post by Drauka on Jun 15, 2013 8:06:40 GMT -5
No, it's impossible to get a day off. People are losing leave and their personal holidays. That is a joke and hopefully something is done about it. I took my personal holiday right when the fiscal year started - are they making us use SC before that personal day now ? No, if the timekeeper at your institution is substituting SC for the personal holiday that you put on your time sheet, call personnel and let them know there was a mistake on your time sheet. Let me know what they say. Personal holidays and sick leave were supposed to be exempt from the new usage policy.
If you lost Special Comp leave under the new use-or-lose policy, you need to let your Shop Steward (or Business Agent) know so it can be addressed. According to People First, the only leave that's been lost so far is the leave earned after June of 2012, but before October 30, 2012. That periods Special Comp was supposed to be extended 180 days past the October 30, 2012 deadline (to April 28, 2013), and should have been used the first time you took leave after October 30, 2012 up to April 28, 2013. If you didn't take leave at all after October 30, 2012, but put in leave slips and it got denied, please give copies of your denied leave slips along with any evidence of the lost leave you have (log into people first and print your leave balance overviews) to your institutions shop steward whether you're a member or not. If your unused leave from June 2012, to October 30, 2012 was lost, and you didn't put in for leave at all from June 2012 until April 28, 2013, then of course you lost it....but we are still wanting your leave balance overviews showing you lost it.
Unused leave earned after October 30, 2012 but before April 30, 2013 also should have been extended 180 days (to October 27, 2013). People first says that due to the way the software was written, it would have looked like it was "taken" from the new balance on May 1, and looked to have been forfeited for the month of May, but should have reappeared in a new column as of June 1. I cant verify this since my institution only had a handful of people get carried over, and I wasn't one of them. If your leave was lost for that period, and not carried over, again...copies to your Steward.
Shift OIC's were supposed to be scheduling you off even if didn't ask in order to avoid forfeiture. Wardens received e-mails from Tally saying as much and were supposed to have told the Chiefs to have the OIC's to make it happen. We have copies of these e-mails from multiple sources showing it was sent statewide. So to re-cap: If you lost leave earned during the first period (6-2012 through 10-30-2012), which was extended 180 days to 4-28-2013, then notify your Shop Steward or Business Agent. If you lost leave earned during the second period (10-30-2012 through 4-30-2013) and it has not showed back up as of 6-1-2013's leave balance overview, notify your Shop Steward or Business Agent. Provide copies of your leave balance overview showing the loss, and any leave slips during both periods that were denied for any reason. A lawsuit is in the works to show that this forfeiture was the intention of the state all along, and that in order to make officers whole they need to be paid for forfeited leave or have it re-instated ....and the 'new' special comp system scrapped or re-vamped so it doesn't happen again. The states original position was that forfeiture was not the intention but rather the removal of the practice of collecting thousand hour balances as a type of severance package or retirement bonus. They stated that they wanted us to use the leave rather than stockpiling it, not lose it. We intend to hold them to that.
Now, as an addition, I've been telling people at my institution to do the following: If you are rolling over annual into sick (or will by years end), when you submit a leave slip ALWAYS ask for annual leave. If your OIC hands it back and says to resubmit it for Special Comp, ask him to write that on your leave slip (with it denied if he likes) and of course follow his directions and resubmit....then forward that leave slip where he told you to resubmit, along with your end-of-year leave balance overview showing the rollover to your Shop Steward or Business Agent. This probably wont accomplish much, since the state will argue that the leave isn't being taken, just converted..... but we can use it to show that the state is ruthlessly taking and/or converting our leave in an effort to render it unusable, negating its value as a part of our compensation package.
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Post by brownversesblue on Jun 15, 2013 20:28:22 GMT -5
Drauka, this is a very good post as far as letting our co-workers know what's going on with the use it or lose it. The shop stewards need to spread the word and post it at the institutions as well. Every hour they take is an hour you could have spent with your family or used to feed your family. Of course they want to convert your annual leave to sick leave because it's paid a 1/4 on the dollar not dollar for dollar like annual and comp, and with staff shortages it's hard enough to get rid of the 10 use it or lose it days much less burning through all your special comp to even begin burning annual. The bean counters in Tally knew what they were doing. I'm just hoping it's such an inconvenience to people first(I've heard it's been bad to keep track of) to deal with that they ditch it and at least let us accrue what we earn or pay us double time like any other business. The the way it was paying just one person at a time whenever they leave/retire was no big deal but they don't want you accruing more now because when they go to privatize they have to pay us for it, all at once!
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Post by lawton on Jun 16, 2013 16:05:35 GMT -5
Drauka, this is a very good post as far as letting our co-workers know what's going on with the use it or lose it. The shop stewards need to spread the word and post it at the institutions as well. Every hour they take is an hour you could have spent with your family or used to feed your family. Of course they want to convert your annual leave to sick leave because it's paid a 1/4 on the dollar not dollar for dollar like annual and comp, and with staff shortages it's hard enough to get rid of the 10 use it or lose it days much less burning through all your special comp to even begin burning annual. The bean counters in Tally knew what they were doing. I'm just hoping it's such an inconvenience to people first(I've heard it's been bad to keep track of) to deal with that they ditch it and at least let us accrue what we earn or pay us double time like any other business. The the way it was paying just one person at a time whenever they leave/retire was no big deal but they don't want you accruing more now because when they go to privatize they have to pay us for it, all at once! Besides even the privatization reason I remember reading somewhere (some article) they were going to try and phase special comp payouts out altogether for DOC after about 5 years from now. Its a bunch of bs and imo if they don't want to pay us for it they need to give us at least time and a half for the hours on that day if its clear most cant take the time off.
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Post by brownversesblue on Jun 16, 2013 18:46:32 GMT -5
Could be, they've got something in mind or they wouldn't have messed with it at all. Let me earn spec comp or pay me 1.5 either way, as long as we are getting paid for showing up and doing or jobs away from friends and loved ones on those holidays I'm good. On a side note heard something about the new extended work day policies are limiting 60 hour in OT? Not 6 months ago it was 24, why not just get rid of it all together? Until the hire more staff there's not going to be a pay period that several people don't have over 100!
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Post by brucifer on Aug 31, 2013 7:22:09 GMT -5
I have a question, if Correctional Officers are consider LE for the 168 hour straight pay. How come we are not LE for the raise.
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Post by highlander on Sept 1, 2013 3:59:07 GMT -5
I have a question, if Correctional Officers are consider LE for the 168 hour straight pay. How come we are not LE for the raise. Because our union blows.
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Post by 2ndtimearound on Sept 12, 2013 15:59:47 GMT -5
I have a question, if Correctional Officers are consider LE for the 168 hour straight pay. How come we are not LE for the raise. I was once told by a very wise old timer and I have said it here before. We are LEOs only when it is convenient for them. So basically we are schleps that keep the keys away from inmates.
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Post by brucifer on Sept 13, 2013 9:09:26 GMT -5
So the bottom line in 2 responses is SS= sucking schleps.
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Post by phonehunter on Sept 26, 2013 9:28:46 GMT -5
So the bottom line in 2 responses is SS= sucking schleps. LOL sure looks that way from this vantage point
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Post by crash on Nov 5, 2013 11:30:01 GMT -5
I knew that the teamsters were lame whenever everybody was voting them in. If we had gotten more involved with PBA and voted the ineffective leadership out, we would be ahead of the proverbial 8 ball.
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Post by brucifer on Nov 24, 2013 12:18:19 GMT -5
Discovered there are approx. 4,000 dues paying staff. Now if anyone thinks that the PBA could have done anything with those numbers, then you are greatly mistaken. The bottom line is Staff need to pay dues to the organization that represents them. This is the 3rd organization that has represented the FDC. I hear all kinds of BS EXCUSES for not belonging to the Teamsters. Please do not complain if you do not pay for the representation. FDC is the largest group of so called LE in Florida. JOIN THE TEAMSTERS!!!!!!!!
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