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Post by 2ndtimearound on Nov 20, 2011 7:40:18 GMT -5
IF you guys thinnk the Republicans are going to help in any way with the teamsters as the bagianing unit you are sadly mistaken. Look at the national political landscape. The teamsters are a force for the opposition in the minds of republicans. They will not have anything to gain by helping them. teh privatization is a republican thing to "save tax dollars". That will be the storyline to the public. and of course the democratic line will be that it does not. which we all know is the truth. But you can not tell the sheeple in the public that. Instead of cutting waste in the bueracracy they will cut in services as both parties have historically done. But enjoy the time with the teamsters you asked for it you got. And as I tried to point out they have no real politcal clout in FL, but many here hoped change. I thought we figured out from the last three years that HOPE and CHANGE only left you with pocket change. And once it all ends uop all the negative karma givers I will be awaiting the admission of, "You were right." to be posted. NOT becasue you are too blind to see until it is too late.
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Post by brucifer on Nov 20, 2011 11:38:35 GMT -5
Homer Simpson
You hit the nail on the head. How many people were under the PBA contract? How many voted? I thought it was only about a 3rd that cast a ballot. Tells the candidates and incumbents we are not a force to worry about. I would love to see a break down of where the votes came from and who they voted for. The voting districts and of course votes will kill anything for us. YOU CAN PROBABLY BLAME THE STAFF THAT DID NOT BOTHER TO CAST A VOTE IN THIS ELECTION.
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Post by brucifer on Nov 20, 2011 12:04:39 GMT -5
2x's
You make some good points. But if you throw the dogs a bone they will bury it where you want it. I have seen it 1st hand in Tally. I do not believe anyone who voted for the Teamsters are expecting too much from them at this time. Most probably wanted a change in scenery. The PBA did not take the Teamsters seriously and really failed in the course of their campaign. What will happen in FDC will happen no matter who has the contract at this time. I will pay my dues to the Teamsters and hope for the best, just as with the PBA.
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Post by lawton on Nov 20, 2011 18:31:46 GMT -5
Well some people may regret their decision to not vote big time - and not just the South Florida Officers who are more likely to be privatized now imo.
This is the rumor below going around and I have heard basically the same from a few people in DOC.
The teamsters will not be paying for and sending quality professional lobbying personnel this legislative session unless they have 60% of the eligible membership paying dues ( That will not even be close to 60%). Also shop stewards will not be able to represent employees at any disciplinary hearing or grievence filing because they are also employees. This is per DOC State of Florida. All their business agents are former truck drivers basically and they are either all out of state or very few of them. Once the teamsters take over, supposedly all the clauses under the articles in the contract could be void if the state decides not to keep the agreement because the current contract was an agreement between PBA and the State only. The state can but does not have to honor it with the Teamsters supposedly. The Governor is rumored to not want it extended with the current layoff rules wanting seniority mostly taken out.
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If that is true you will only get a lawyer for PERC firing appeals, inmate lawsuits or CJSTC decertification hearings I will be staying with the PBA legal at 20 bucks a month or whatever it is if the Teamsters can't even help me with a suspension appeal etc.
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Post by lawton on Nov 20, 2011 18:39:53 GMT -5
IF you guys thinnk the Republicans are going to help in any way with the teamsters as the bagianing unit you are sadly mistaken. Look at the national political landscape. The teamsters are a force for the opposition in the minds of republicans. They will not have anything to gain by helping them. teh privatization is a republican thing to "save tax dollars". That will be the storyline to the public. and of course the democratic line will be that it does not. which we all know is the truth. But you can not tell the sheeple in the public that. Instead of cutting waste in the bueracracy they will cut in services as both parties have historically done. But enjoy the time with the teamsters you asked for it you got. And as I tried to point out they have no real politcal clout in FL, but many here hoped change. I thought we figured out from the last three years that HOPE and CHANGE only left you with pocket change. And once it all ends uop all the negative karma givers I will be awaiting the admission of, "You were right." to be posted. NOT becasue you are too blind to see until it is too late. I am not a huge PBA fan but I have thought from the beginning that the teamsters would be useless here with the Florida Legislature and only make them target us worse. We are in big trouble even worse with the teamsters I believe starting this session. Hopefully the real senior South Florida Officers don't lose their bumping rights prior to privatization if that in fact happens which I think it will now with a seperate bill especially with the teamsters.
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Post by wakka1 on Nov 20, 2011 22:28:14 GMT -5
Some of you guys are just sad. The PBA did absolutely nothing for Officers except steal their money. I've sat in on a bunch of PDC's with the PBA, and most of the time, the Officer was better off representing themselves. Baiardi didn't give a flip about any of you, he was only looking to keep his sweet deal going. Jimmy has always been in bed with the administration. As far as the privatization, it didn't matter if it were the PBA, the Teamsters, FOP, or any other combination of letters you can think of. The republicans are out to get us, no matter what. If you really want to make a difference, join the Teamsters, and vote! If you aren't a member, if you don't vote, then you might just as well shut up and take what you deserve.
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Post by metsfan on Nov 20, 2011 23:01:13 GMT -5
Some of you guys are just sad. The PBA did absolutely nothing for Officers except steal their money. I've sat in on a bunch of PDC's with the PBA, and most of the time, the Officer was better off representing themselves. Baiardi didn't give a flip about any of you, he was only looking to keep his sweet deal going. Jimmy has always been in bed with the administration. As far as the privatization, it didn't matter if it were the PBA, the Teamsters, FOP, or any other combination of letters you can think of. The republicans are out to get us, no matter what. If you really want to make a difference, join the Teamsters, and vote! If you aren't a member, if you don't vote, then you might just as well shut up and take what you deserve. Well said!!!
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Post by 2ndtimearound on Nov 21, 2011 7:03:46 GMT -5
wakka1 That was the problem with pba. minimal membership and no voting block. I know for a fact of non-members actually voting against pba endorsed candidates just to screw with pba. but when the pay raises were coming the same staff sure did not refuse the bump in pay. Jimmie is/was a sleaze who only cared about himself, as evidenced by the entire debacle of assistant shift commanders. that was so obviously a plan concocted by someone trying to escape responsibility a blind inmate could have seen it. I am just saying that the teamsters will be in no better place than pba and maybe even worse to be honest. BUT it is a foot in the door in FL to push their national agenda. Thirty years down the road if FL were to become a union state it could be traced back to this choice. But I will be dead and not really care. Unless they have union dues at the cemetery.
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Post by virginia on Nov 22, 2011 6:48:20 GMT -5
Well said! Most are to cheap to pay the $20 and probably wouldn't if the dues were $5 a month but will stand outside smoking their $6 a pack cigarettes and complain about the PBA until your ears bleed. Unfortunately you are right and now they will turn their griping to the Teamsters and again will not pay a dime. If your not willing to pay the dues, VOTE or rally in Tally for you career, SHUT up! Nothing makes me more mad than someone who does nothing to fix their current situation but continues to COMPLAIN about it to all who will listen. If we only had your big winded speaches and support when it counted, RIGHT! Oh , one more thing, let the goverment try to ban cigarettes and see how far these individuals will go to band together to stop it, its pathetic!! Some peoples priorities amaze me.....
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Post by dudex on Nov 22, 2011 9:52:59 GMT -5
You are off base on all fronts. Fasano is pro Law Enforcement, it has nothing to do with the bargaining unit. and as far as the legislature getting the votes on a separate bill. It is not going to be easy since many of them dont want their names attached to a privatization bill when it fails. Thats the main reason they put it in the budget in the first place. I don't think I am - they will be doing it with a bill this time and Fasano has a lot of allies besides being the head of the committee - that is why Haridopolis, Alexander and company bypassed him in the first place using provisio language. With the PBA not representing us Fasano will not be a huge ally whether he publicly states he is against it or not. That is the sad political reality. IMO there is now a 90% chance the South Florida COs will be privatized after 7/1/12 while with PBA it would have been a 50/50 proposition with Fasano actively doing everything he could to get the votes to stop it. I still do not understand where you get that Fasano was so close to the PBA. His support for us and other Law Enforcement has nothing to do with the bargaining unit who represents us. The reason he has been such a popular candidate with his constituents throughout the years is he is not in bed with the special interests groups.
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Post by sfcwoodret on Nov 22, 2011 11:21:58 GMT -5
Many of the PBA officials and Reps. will probably decide to join forces with Teamsters since they need some sort of employment now.
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Post by twpw4ever on Nov 24, 2011 6:50:22 GMT -5
Hello Everyone,
I am a retired corrections officer from Pa. I am actually in the hiring process FL DOC. I just like the state system over the county. But that is here nor there. I was a union dues paying member for my whole career. I can guarantee you that 99.9% of all the Pa corrections officers were in the union. From my experience if you don't won't and stand together as a whole the state will do as they please. We went thru privatization and beat it, We fought walking time got back payed and now receive walking time for getting relieved off your post past your shift. We received 3% raises every year. When I left, Mind you the toughest decision ever. But that again is here nor there. I was making $29 an hr. as a CO1. and our CO pay for medical, dental, eye and per scrip. was 20 a month. Like other member have said here you need to all vote and stand as a team not whine and cry how bad this union is and that union is. I can tell you when we were pushed we pushed back. We have had sick outs we have had rallies. We didn't just sit and take it. You must stand behind your union. Each of our jails had union officials that we voted in. And we voted our Head officials in from top to bottom. When a officer got in a jam our union and staff stood behind him/her. We went for AFSME for PSCOA which was run by corrections officers. That we voted in. The bottom line is you have to vote but most importantly stand together. They will have there way with you if you don't and the outcome is never good.
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Post by lawton on Nov 24, 2011 10:24:23 GMT -5
Many of the PBA officials and Reps. will probably decide to join forces with Teamsters since they need some sort of employment now. I doubt that but the South Florida Officers only have themselves to blame when they are wearing GEO uniforms July 2012. I just hope the North and Central Florida Officers can change things before more damage is done due to the teamsters having no good connections in the legislature.
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Post by lawton on Nov 24, 2011 10:27:48 GMT -5
Hello Everyone, I am a retired corrections officer from Pa. I am actually in the hiring process FL DOC. I just like the state system over the county. But that is here nor there. I was a union dues paying member for my whole career. I can guarantee you that 99.9% of all the Pa corrections officers were in the union. From my experience if you don't won't and stand together as a whole the state will do as they please. We went thru privatization and beat it, We fought walking time got back payed and now receive walking time for getting relieved off your post past your shift. We received 3% raises every year. When I left, Mind you the toughest decision ever. But that again is here nor there. I was making $29 an hr. as a CO1. and our CO pay for medical, dental, eye and per scrip. was 20 a month. Like other member have said here you need to all vote and stand as a team not whine and cry how bad this union is and that union is. I can tell you when we were pushed we pushed back. We have had sick outs we have had rallies. We didn't just sit and take it. You must stand behind your union. Each of our jails had union officials that we voted in. And we voted our Head officials in from top to bottom. When a officer got in a jam our union and staff stood behind him/her. We went for AFSME for PSCOA which was run by corrections officers. That we voted in. The bottom line is you have to vote but most importantly stand together. They will have there way with you if you don't and the outcome is never good. The state of Florida is controlled by anti-union people now and that has no effect on them. Unions here in Florida only have real power at the local level where the towns etc. think they can affect the outcome of an election.
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Post by haze on Nov 24, 2011 12:26:18 GMT -5
Let's be honest. The only thing PBA did with the privatization lawsuit was to delay the inevitable by a few months. We ALL signed our ticked by not voting during the gubernatorial election and for allowing the teabaggers to cause this state to spiral downward quickly. Whether it is in January or July, privatization is coming, with or without PBA or Teamsters.
If half of this state survives privatization in the next 3 years, we need to take the next gubernatorial election serious and vote!
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