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Post by benthere on Jan 23, 2011 9:43:41 GMT -5
i retired from doc and probually am coming back. i went for years without pba and will do so with the teamsters or whoever. this is a no strike profession, what did pba do for you the last 6 yrs? how many raises did we get? the teamsters ain't gonna do any better. save your dues to pay towards your portion you have to pay into retirement.
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Post by 2ndtimearound on Jan 23, 2011 22:52:11 GMT -5
PBA has done zero for frontline staff in the last six years. Jimmy has been too worried about taking care of himself so he can stay in Tally IMHO. I have seen many times when a PBA member needed them the most was when they would walk away saying so sorry. I do not think another bargaining unit would have gotten anything from the legislature either though. And I do not think they will in the future. I have ideas of how to go about fixing the problem but there is no way they will fly. Like how about making pay raises incentive based. For example no escapes, cost savings at the institutional levels, top scores for thier stupid ACA and security audits, or many other things. But once one place gets the raises and other places don't there will be lawsuits so it ain't happening.
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Post by Logan on Jan 24, 2011 22:18:50 GMT -5
Highlander- I didn't say they would strike for us but I can see from my choice of words, drawing that conclusion. I meant things like interuption of supply. Secondtime- I didn't vote for that change in Washington and I am generally anti-union but in order for PBA to go we have to get it to a vote and unfortunately that means a replacement. Without a replacement the administration will be off the chain, especially in these economic times because they believe you are stuck with whatever they want to dish out.
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Post by truthtracker on Jan 25, 2011 6:54:10 GMT -5
Logan the more you speak on the issue, you show how little you really know about it and the politics. Like it or not that is exactly what it boils down to in any right to work state is politics. So in other words you need the most politically charged collective bargaining agent there is. For Law Enforcement that is PBA.
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Post by brucifer on Jan 25, 2011 8:54:08 GMT -5
truthtracker, We know you are pro PBA and you know I think the idiots running it need to be replaced for many different reasons. That is not ever going to happen. I believe we need an election to see who will better represent us PBA or Teamsters. Personally, I probably will not belong to either. I can not recall when I joined PBA, but it is when they took over from the original bargaining unit. I belonged until 2009 and in that time I questioned them concerning one issue. So if I go another 30 years ;D ;D without paying for them it is all good with me.
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Post by lizzy on Jan 30, 2011 21:48:40 GMT -5
Can someone tell me , I do not want to go to a meeting but heck yeah I will sign a blue card and force a election. The way I see this is Teamster get a raise if i get one , so they will work with it. PBA has to go . that ivory tower has to fall. Can I get someone to mail me a blue card.
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Post by steps on Jan 31, 2011 7:10:18 GMT -5
A CO was killed in Washington State. She was strangled by an inmate serving life. The story says she complained about being left alone in the chapel. Two other things stand out about this, one it is a privately run prison and 2 the officers were represented by the teamsters. Make up your own mind on exactly what any union can do for us. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41340032/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
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Post by brucifer on Jan 31, 2011 10:08:50 GMT -5
steps, who owns or runs Monroe complex? The union in Florida is NOT. It is basically a bargaining unit. Private, public, union or bargaining unit does not have much to do on an Officer being murdered. It's the inmate. Heck California shoots inmates inside fences when they fight. But they can not move on death row without full body shields.
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gambler3365
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Post by gambler3365 on Feb 3, 2011 20:48:16 GMT -5
The one thing you will get with the Teamsters is people who will fight for your rights. The dues are 2.25 x your hourly rate of pay, if you make 14.85 an hour your dues will be 33.41one dollar and some change more than PBA. The Teamsters are already working in Tally to stop Rick Scott from taking our pay and our retirement. This is truly our last chance to have a voice and a say in our careers. The Iron Triangle is going with the Teamsters. FSP and UCI are leading the Pack. Join us and make this change for the better. PBA will not help us, look around and see how many of your fellow officers have gotten suspended for minor things and were not represented properly.
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gambler3365
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Post by gambler3365 on Feb 3, 2011 20:53:26 GMT -5
i retired from doc and probually am coming back. i went for years without pba and will do so with the teamsters or whoever. this is a no strike profession, what did pba do for you the last 6 yrs? how many raises did we get? the teamsters ain't gonna do any better. save your dues to pay towards your portion you have to pay into retirement. The one thing they will do is fight for your right as an officer and not let you get screwed for no reason.
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gambler3365
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Post by gambler3365 on Feb 3, 2011 20:57:41 GMT -5
A CO was killed in Washington State. She was strangled by an inmate serving life. The story says she complained about being left alone in the chapel. Two other things stand out about this, one it is a privately run prison and 2 the officers were represented by the teamsters. Make up your own mind on exactly what any union can do for us. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41340032/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/The one thing that no union can do is change the post assignment.
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Post by sfcwoodret on Feb 4, 2011 1:53:57 GMT -5
Some of us make much more than 14.85 HR. and yet that still spells OUCH!
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Post by screwielewie on Feb 4, 2011 10:52:12 GMT -5
Some of us make much more than 14.85 HR. and yet that still spells OUCH! If the teamsters can save us from paying 5% into our own retirement, the dues will be a Minor inconvenience. If the teamsters can keep High risk at 3% and not let us get cut to 2% (or less) the dues will be worth it. If the teamsters can rid DOC of Good Ole Boy system with seniority and skills then the dues will be worth it. As it stands we don't have a lot of choice. Either we go with the greatly weakened PBA (They did fight hard against Governor Scott) or we get something new and untarnished and certainly not in bed with DOC
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Post by lawton on Feb 4, 2011 21:45:50 GMT -5
Some of us make much more than 14.85 HR. and yet that still spells OUCH! If the teamsters can save us from paying 5% into our own retirement, the dues will be a Minor inconvenience. If the teamsters can keep High risk at 3% and not let us get cut to 2% (or less) the dues will be worth it. If the teamsters can rid DOC of Good Ole Boy system with seniority and skills then the dues will be worth it. As it stands we don't have a lot of choice. Either we go with the greatly weakened PBA (They did fight hard against Governor Scott) or we get something new and untarnished and certainly not in bed with DOC They could care less what union it is as far as state workers go now.
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Post by screwielewie on Feb 5, 2011 17:02:37 GMT -5
If the teamsters can save us from paying 5% into our own retirement, the dues will be a Minor inconvenience. If the teamsters can keep High risk at 3% and not let us get cut to 2% (or less) the dues will be worth it. If the teamsters can rid DOC of Good Ole Boy system with seniority and skills then the dues will be worth it. As it stands we don't have a lot of choice. Either we go with the greatly weakened PBA (They did fight hard against Governor Scott) or we get something new and untarnished and certainly not in bed with DOC They could care less what union it is as far as state workers go now. Unfortunate but in all likehood true. But I think we should give them a chance to try....... It can't be worse than now can it?
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