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Post by brucifer on Dec 29, 2010 2:50:57 GMT -5
You gotz a Karma from me. However, the Teamsters never ever responded to my email. I can not make any of their meetings. So I do not think they are ready yet, I do know PBA is finished.
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Post by metsfan on Dec 30, 2010 18:50:58 GMT -5
I am bitter towards the PBA. I pay dues so the PBA can send me and others cards telling me not to join the Teamsters. Hell id pay more for a union that can flex its muscle for us when we need it.
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Post by brucifer on Jan 20, 2011 14:14:27 GMT -5
I met with Teamster's Organizer. I had some questions and he agreed to get them to me ASAP. He did not cut down the PBA, as the PBA has in the smear campaign going on now against Teamsters. He does not want any dues card signed and is not requesting monies for Teamsters, he just wants the rank and file to sign cards to allow a vote on who we would like to represent us. He did admit the dues were a little higher,a percentage of our hourly pay. Not saying I like that, but if they can get us more money, they make more money. I know it is not likely in this budget environment that we get any extra anything and maybe lose some bennies. Only 22 cents of dues dollars goes to International the rest stays with local 2011. The Teamsters need at least 8,000 cards signed and sent in to allow a vote for representation. Please sign a card and let the election go forward. If you need materials let me know in PM and I will get them to you. At this time I am also asking for assistance in Region I, anyone over there that could help give me a PM.
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Post by 2ndtimearound on Jan 20, 2011 15:16:57 GMT -5
Ok one more time. What are all of the non-members going to think when they HAVE to sign up with the Teamster? Did you ask that question? I bet he will not tell you that. I bet it will be an all or nothing thing. Becasue as soon as they get raises for members and not non-members there will be a class action suit against them.
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Post by sfcwoodret on Jan 21, 2011 0:07:17 GMT -5
The Teamsters may mean well, but they will have nothing to work with for several years.
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Post by brucifer on Jan 21, 2011 0:54:52 GMT -5
Ok one more time. What are all of the non-members going to think when they HAVE to sign up with the Teamster? Did you ask that question? I bet he will not tell you that. I bet it will be an all or nothing thing. Becasue as soon as they get raises for members and not non-members there will be a class action suit against them. No bargaining agent in Florida can get bennies for members only. Does everyone get the same raise whether they belong to PBA or not? Does every person under the contract get to vote on it, even if not a member of PBA?. No one in the State of Florida has to belong to a Union to work. It is your choice whether one wishes to belong and pay dues.
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Post by brucifer on Jan 21, 2011 0:59:41 GMT -5
The Teamsters may mean well, but they will have nothing to work with for several years. You may be correct. I do not think the PBA is in any better position on negotiations. I believe Secretary Buss has dealt with the Teamsters in Indiana, that in itself maybe an "Ace in the Hole".
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Post by truthtracker on Jan 21, 2011 8:39:33 GMT -5
Listen you all, granted the PBA has become complacent over the last several years, but so has the membership. Fact; no one will be able to get us a raise with a 3.8 billion shortfall in the budget this year. Like it or not as long as Scott is Governor he's gonna push every year for us to contribute to our own pensions. Why would anyone want to pay more for less, not to mention your legal, cost an extra 8.00 on top of that and it does have cost limits and limitations on various types of legal defense. I've seen the legal contract. Don't believe me ask them for a copy read for your selves then tell me you want the teamsters.
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Post by sfcwoodret on Jan 21, 2011 8:48:37 GMT -5
The PBA seems to have given up at this point. They haven't attempted to rally anyone together or even address the situation we are in right now. Obviously, they must know something that we don't concerning our gloomy future.
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Post by brucifer on Jan 21, 2011 14:10:45 GMT -5
truthtracker, you make some good points. I am awaiting clarification on the "Legal" issue in the Teamsters.
PBA a little complacent? Heck, nonexistent in Region II. Until recent Pres and VP same facility and what did you have? ZERO
I am not blaming PBA for not being able to get raises for staff.
I want to see some competition. Compare apples to apples. A chance for a vote.
PBA is just now entering the parking lots, why because of the Teamsters push for a vote. PBA has gotten too comfortable in the bed of FDC.
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Post by 2ndtimearound on Jan 22, 2011 0:02:36 GMT -5
No you do not have to be a union member in a right to work state. BUT the teamsters history has been built around the model of union states. That means members only receive the benefit of membership. So you have to apprentice or something like that to get into a union shop. and that is how they will be accustomed to working. then to boot they have no pull with politicians to get anywhere on benefits. I am not pushing PBA I am just trying to get those who want a change to look at the possibility of changing PBA. But if I am right those wanting change are probably not even PBA members so they can't do anything about that. And even though they hate PBA they gladly accept any chicken feed that PBA gets for them and that is funny. Do you know how many times I have heard, "Why should I join PBA? I get a pay raise when they get one negotiated even though I am not a member." and with that logic nothing will change in PBA.
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Post by Logan on Jan 22, 2011 3:18:18 GMT -5
Okay listen, The Teamsters will come in with 1.4 million members already, that equals political clout. The dues are 2.25 times your hourly salary which means you get a raise they get a raise, so of course, they'll fight like all get outs for your money. Public employees cannot strike, ie Corrections Officers, but most of their 1.4 million are not in that category, they're in all service industries, industries that even prisons are dependent on, get the picture?
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Post by highlander on Jan 22, 2011 4:21:17 GMT -5
Okay listen, The Teamsters will come in with 1.4 million members already, that equals political clout. The dues are 2.25 times your hourly salary which means you get a raise they get a raise, so of course, they'll fight like all get outs for your money. Public employees cannot strike, ie Corrections Officers, but most of their 1.4 million are not in that category, they're in all service industries, industries that even prisons are dependent on, get the picture? And they are not going to give up their paychecks to go on strike for us. Especially when in this economy there will be a line of people waiting for their job.
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Post by sfcwoodret on Jan 22, 2011 9:56:36 GMT -5
I agree, people from other occupations will stick together for their own and not Correctional Staff of which they know very little about or what the job really entails. Only people who work in Corrections really understand what we go through for the actual pay we receive. I'm not even sure that the Teamsters know very much on what really happens inside a prison.
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Post by 2ndtimearound on Jan 22, 2011 23:04:07 GMT -5
Yeah Logan I get the picture. You and others want change. How has that worked out for the country for the last two years? Not so well so far IMHO. The Teamsters are not going to get anything that the PBA is or is not going to get. But, hey you guys have fun with all of that. I am still of the opinion that once in the Teamsters will attempt to get all correctional Staff signed up before they even try to negotiate anything. But, what do I know? Oh that is right my family was in the Northeast back when I was a kid and the Teamsters ran everything.
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