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Post by Drauka on May 7, 2013 6:17:59 GMT -5
You keep saying you'd like to see where they spent their money...well friggin ask them. None of us here are official treasurers of the Union. Implying that you know they misspent the dues money is hearsay, find out the facts: E-mail them. It may be hearsay but you aren't curious ?- heck it would give you ammo against my assumptions if it showed they were using much of the money wisely to influence the power players in the legislature to give us good outcomes on raises and special comp and the rest? Tell them to show what they have done to get us extra. They will probably get on top of giving you the real facts on that about as quick as they got on us getting screwed out of the extra officer raises the PBA Officers got where they finally got off that fantasy 7% raise for all state employees while the PBA was securing extra for their officers in the initial budget proposed. Thats just it, I see where they are spending the money...enough that I'm satisfied they are spending the rest of the money in smart ways. If you doubt where they are spending it, then you ask them. The PBA spend money year after year on the right things, and we still didnt get anything some of those years. It's not always a matter of who gets your money, sometimes its just the house/senate being douchebags. This is one of those times. They knew the facts. They know we have a higher turnover rate, and an equal mortality rate when compared to FHP. They know we needed this just as bad, if not worse than, FHP and FWC. We elect these idiots to do right by us, and to make wise decisions based on facts. They decided, for whatever reason, to screw 17,000 of us DESPITE readily available facts. When that happens, I place the blame solely on the real responsible party, the guys that made the decision....not the group(s) asking for consideration. If they only vote for the right thing when they can line their pocket with dues money, then thats exactly why we need to band together under ANY banner and get these clowns gone.
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Post by brucifer on May 7, 2013 12:53:12 GMT -5
Drauka, Me thinks you are correct.
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Post by lawton on May 7, 2013 17:05:02 GMT -5
It may be hearsay but you aren't curious ?- heck it would give you ammo against my assumptions if it showed they were using much of the money wisely to influence the power players in the legislature to give us good outcomes on raises and special comp and the rest? Tell them to show what they have done to get us extra. They will probably get on top of giving you the real facts on that about as quick as they got on us getting screwed out of the extra officer raises the PBA Officers got where they finally got off that fantasy 7% raise for all state employees while the PBA was securing extra for their officers in the initial budget proposed. Thats just it, I see where they are spending the money...enough that I'm satisfied they are spending the rest of the money in smart ways. If you doubt where they are spending it, then you ask them. The PBA spend money year after year on the right things, and we still didnt get anything some of those years. It's not always a matter of who gets your money, sometimes its just the house/senate being douchebags. This is one of those times. They knew the facts. They know we have a higher turnover rate, and an equal mortality rate when compared to FHP. They know we needed this just as bad, if not worse than, FHP and FWC. We elect these idiots to do right by us, and to make wise decisions based on facts. They decided, for whatever reason, to screw 17,000 of us DESPITE readily available facts. When that happens, I place the blame solely on the real responsible party, the guys that made the decision....not the group(s) asking for consideration. If they only vote for the right thing when they can line their pocket with dues money, then thats exactly why we need to band together under ANY banner and get these clowns gone. Of couse they know it but you arent going to get extra when you don't play the game and the Teamsters didnt deciding to use the dues money better ways for their other goals I guess mostly even though they represent DOC Officers. How do you think we got extra the years we did with the PBA before the economic crunch and a real raise that year when other state employees only got a one time bonus and no raise. The PBA playing the game.All PBA state officers in the state personnel sytem got extra this year not just FHP and FWC. FDLE and them got it also. We got screwed because the Teamsters didnt spend the money to get us extra when there is 3 billion extra lying around and that will stay the same as long as they remain and spend the dues the way they do unfortunately. They are a joke plain and simple but probably are laughing all the way to Vegas how they conned the naive in DOC so easily with their pitches in the parking lots.It was also nice how the Teamsters were on the ball about us getting screwed over. Finally mentioned it after the budgets actually came out - real connections there.
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Post by Drauka on May 7, 2013 19:57:44 GMT -5
Thats just it, I see where they are spending the money...enough that I'm satisfied they are spending the rest of the money in smart ways. If you doubt where they are spending it, then you ask them. The PBA spend money year after year on the right things, and we still didnt get anything some of those years. It's not always a matter of who gets your money, sometimes its just the house/senate being douchebags. This is one of those times. They knew the facts. They know we have a higher turnover rate, and an equal mortality rate when compared to FHP. They know we needed this just as bad, if not worse than, FHP and FWC. We elect these idiots to do right by us, and to make wise decisions based on facts. They decided, for whatever reason, to screw 17,000 of us DESPITE readily available facts. When that happens, I place the blame solely on the real responsible party, the guys that made the decision....not the group(s) asking for consideration. If they only vote for the right thing when they can line their pocket with dues money, then thats exactly why we need to band together under ANY banner and get these clowns gone. Of couse they know it but you arent going to get extra when you don't play the game and the Teamsters didnt deciding to use the dues money better ways for their other goals I guess mostly even though they represent DOC Officers. How do you think we got extra the years we did with the PBA before the economic crunch and a real raise that year when other state employees only got a one time bonus and no raise. The PBA playing the game.All PBA state officers in the state personnel sytem got extra this year not just FHP and FWC. FDLE and them got it also. We got screwed because the Teamsters didnt spend the money to get us extra when there is 3 billion extra lying around and that will stay the same as long as they remain and spend the dues the way they do unfortunately. They are a joke plain and simple but probably are laughing all the way to Vegas how they conned the naive in DOC so easily with their pitches in the parking lots.It was also nice how the Teamsters were on the ball about us getting screwed over. Finally mentioned it after the budgets actually came out - real connections there. You are right about it staying the same, but wrong about the reason. It will stay the same because the scumbag criminals in the House and Senate refuse to do the right and moral thing and instead refuse because they are not properly bribed into doing it. Personally, I feel that if our state government is so corrupt that it takes outright bribery to influence their vote, I'd rather our union spend dues money on aggressively trying to get them gone rather than making the corruption worse by feeding it. These asshats have purposely screwed us over, and rather than blaming them for it, you'd have us blame the organization that didn't participate in their scummy bribe system. I remember a not so long ago time when the exact opposite statement was made by some of you anti-Teamster lot...that you didnt want them as our CBA because they were criminals and mob influenced. They decide not to resort to outright bribery and you condemn them. I really believe you people would hate them no matter what they say or do, so from now on I'm not going to feed the trolls. Have a good time of it. I'm out of here.
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Post by lawton on May 7, 2013 20:31:27 GMT -5
Of couse they know it but you arent going to get extra when you don't play the game and the Teamsters didnt deciding to use the dues money better ways for their other goals I guess mostly even though they represent DOC Officers. How do you think we got extra the years we did with the PBA before the economic crunch and a real raise that year when other state employees only got a one time bonus and no raise. The PBA playing the game.All PBA state officers in the state personnel sytem got extra this year not just FHP and FWC. FDLE and them got it also. We got screwed because the Teamsters didnt spend the money to get us extra when there is 3 billion extra lying around and that will stay the same as long as they remain and spend the dues the way they do unfortunately. They are a joke plain and simple but probably are laughing all the way to Vegas how they conned the naive in DOC so easily with their pitches in the parking lots.It was also nice how the Teamsters were on the ball about us getting screwed over. Finally mentioned it after the budgets actually came out - real connections there. You are right about it staying the same, but wrong about the reason. It will stay the same because the scumbag criminals in the House and Senate refuse to do the right and moral thing and instead refuse because they are not properly bribed into doing it. Personally, I feel that if our state government is so corrupt that it takes outright bribery to influence their vote, I'd rather our union spend dues money on aggressively trying to get them gone rather than making the corruption worse by feeding it. These asshats have purposely screwed us over, and rather than blaming them for it, you'd have us blame the organization that didn't participate in their scummy bribe system. I remember a not so long ago time when the exact opposite statement was made by some of you anti-Teamster lot...that you didnt want them as our CBA because they were criminals and mob influenced. They decide not to resort to outright bribery and you condemn them. I really believe you people would hate them no matter what they say or do, so from now on I'm not going to feed the trolls. Have a good time of it. I'm out of here. Drauka, As far as the bribery things go to a certain extent it always rules politics and that was never my problem with them - its all the lies they spread and bs promises and that the Teamsters are playing us for fools imo of course. As far as Negron and them go - The reps will control things for years how its set up now except maybe Gov Scott but getting a new Gov won't change our raise situation until the legislature wants to change it to give us more than other state employees.
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