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Post by lawton on May 1, 2013 17:24:08 GMT -5
Well what did we hear from Teamster Stewards that it was going to be forced on the PBA Officers also after the special comp screw over with the Teamsters.
Facts not distortions like you get from some.
" Update: Senate and House budget conference agreed to the PBA's position for special compensatory time
Last night, the Florida Senate and the Florida House of Representatives agreed to the PBA's latest proposal to resolve special compensatory time articles at impasse between the State Law Enforcement Officers, Florida Highway Patrol and FDLE Special Agents bargaining units and Department of Management Services (DMS). The DMS position was the "use it or lose it", or the forfeiture approach which had been imposed or ratified by all other state employees' bargaining representatives. The three PBA bargaining units were the only holdouts to the state's proposal. We made an counteroffer on 4/24/2013 for all three bargaining units and the Legislature accepted our offer at 11:00 pm last night.
Here's the proposal:
Employees shall have 60 calendar days to use earned special compensatory leave.
The supervisor shall schedule the employee to use the special compensatory leave, if the employee fails to use the leave during the 60 day period.
Employees employed after July 1, 2013, are permitted to accumulate a maximum of 240 hours of special compensatory leave credits, notwithstanding any additional hours worked on a holiday, during the established work week containing a holiday. The provision shall not apply to credit earned due to closure of a facility under an Executive Order during emergency conditions.
Employees with a special compensatory leave balance greater than 240 hours are required to use a minimum of 120 hours of special compensatory leave each calendar year or the amount necessary to reduce the special compensatory leave balance to 240, whichever is less, prior to using annual leave, except if the failure to grant annual leave will result in its conversion to sick leave.
We are grateful to the House and Senate for choosing our very reasonable approach.
Thank you and stay safe."
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Post by highlander on May 1, 2013 19:53:01 GMT -5
Just another reason we shoulda stayed with PBA!
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Post by lawton on May 1, 2013 20:18:36 GMT -5
Just another reason we shoulda stayed with PBA! I don't understand what is so hard for the Teamster apologists to understand. Just look at what has happened to us the last year with them. The bottom line is this is politics and the PBA at least plays the game with some sense for its people while the Teamsters I guess loves CO dues for their other national goals. Can't blame them I guess if people are naive enough to give it to them due to some out of state truck drivers hitting our parking lots promising a bunch of lies. I would love to see a true accounting of how the Teamsters used dues from COs - I bet it might shock some people what is going on. |
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Post by phonehunter on May 3, 2013 13:46:28 GMT -5
Even the WIN that PBA is shouting out is not all that good. PBA members are still being forced to run the comp down to 240 hours. I have well over 800 hours and I can't get that much time off in a year if I even wanted to (120).. DMS having 2 or 3 different comp standards is also going to be problematic and I expect that all DMS will end up usiong the PBA rules.....
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Post by whiteE on May 3, 2013 14:02:56 GMT -5
Dude a 240 bank is better than a 0 bank. It was always set that way, 60L read it.
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Post by brucifer on May 3, 2013 15:06:32 GMT -5
Dude a 240 bank is better than a 0 bank. It was always set that way, 60L read it. FDC was to have persons take leave(Holiday) as soon as they earned it. Never enforced it and allowed people to accumulate. FDC actually caused this issue. It is all about pay out and privatization. |
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Post by phonehunter on May 3, 2013 15:53:57 GMT -5
Dude a 240 bank is better than a 0 bank. It was always set that way, 60L read it. I have 60L here and I had it here 20 years ago. That was overlooked for so many years that it became irrelevant. It was never enforced and that's the state's mistake and one we should not be punished for now.... |
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Post by lawton on May 3, 2013 17:06:17 GMT -5
Dude a 240 bank is better than a 0 bank. It was always set that way, 60L read it. FDC was to have persons take leave(Holiday) as soon as they earned it. Never enforced it and allowed people to accumulate. FDC actually caused this issue. It is all about pay out and privatization. That is mostly dead as long as Scott is tossed out and not reelected. Its about keeping the 240 payout and the joke Teamsters got creamed again not knowing what they are doing and refusing to use the dues in a way to protect us properly it looks like. Their own people told us the same would be forced on the PBA people soon and it turned out to be another myth of theirs. |
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Post by brucifer on May 4, 2013 11:46:20 GMT -5
Hey people, Quit bashing each others preference on Bargaining Units. How many members belong to each unit? Pay your dues to the unit that bargains for you, and it could make a difference. The PBA is not FDC bargaining unit and yes, they may have messed up. So if the PBA and Teamsters want us then they can go for a vote again. But it will not matter if people do not pay dues.
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Post by lawton on May 4, 2013 13:04:33 GMT -5
Hey people, Quit bashing each others preference on Bargaining Units. How many members belong to each unit? Pay your dues to the unit that bargains for you, and it could make a difference. The PBA is not FDC bargaining unit and yes, they may have messed up. So if the PBA and Teamsters want us then they can go for a vote again. But it will not matter if people do not pay dues. Normally I would say that is true but we will be left behind getting no more than non-officer state employees as long as we have this union and its obvious from my ton of posts I have been saying that before they were even put in. I am convinced the quicker they are out the better. I would suggest people be a union member for legal protection at minimum. I also firmly believe we were left out of the extra raises this great budget year and screwed on special comp due to the Teamsters however and wouldn't have been with the same % membership with PBA because they spend their money to try to get extra unlike the Teamsters. I still would love to see where the Teamsters spent the dues - I think a whole lot of it went to things that don't lay the groundwork to ultimately benefit COs. |
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Post by brucifer on May 4, 2013 16:38:57 GMT -5
A post on Facebook related that PBA has 70% or better membership from the units they bargain for. Teamsters had 20% members from CO's. I belong to what ever entity that is chosen to bargain. How many are complaining about the Teamsters and are not paying any dues? I heard numerous complaints about PBA, but how many came from non paying members? So bring out the blue cards again and see how many CO's will vote for one unit or another. Probably be pretty pathetic. How many CO's in FDC?
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Post by lawton on May 5, 2013 7:14:32 GMT -5
A post on Facebook related that PBA has 70% or better membership from the units they bargain for. Teamsters had 20% members from CO's. I belong to what ever entity that is chosen to bargain. How many are complaining about the Teamsters and are not paying any dues? I heard numerous complaints about PBA, but how many came from non paying members? So bring out the blue cards again and see how many CO's will vote for one unit or another. Probably be pretty pathetic. How many CO's in FDC? I stayed with PBA for their in house legal as I don't trust that system with the Teamsters as far as CJSTC and PERC hearings go and as you can see in my old posts I basically said this was going to happen if people voted the Teamsters in once the budget got better again. I didn't even think they would get us screwed on special comp however - I just figured it would be on not getting extra raises. I have no desire to have any official PBA position but I would be willing to get cards signed if the PBA ever tries to get us back. I doubt its that high I remember some of the PBA State Law Enforcement complaining about membership falling to 50% or lower before. As far as our membership goes it needs to be higher if we do toss the Teamsters but with even what it was I am convinced we would have been included because the PBA uses the money better to try and get extra and due to our total. I doubt the Teamster's people even have a direct line to talk one on one with the people that control things in the legislature. The PBA had to make huge cuts when they lost us because of our large number of officers. Until the Teamsters are thrown out hopefully I am pretty sure we can look forward to getting the same as the other state employees that aren't officers. Is there any way to get a rundown of what the FDOC Teamsters did with their money as far as the florida legislature goes ? I was surprised some years back when I saw how much the PBA gave to certain legislators directly and through PAC's etc that supported them. |
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Post by brucifer on May 5, 2013 9:40:38 GMT -5
I know the PBA built a beautiful new building for the Chapter in Palm Beach and they have a beautiful place in Miami. Did anyone ever see our building in Starke? I was personally present when deals were made for votes by the PBA (2nd Rally in Tally). I personally know 2 of the shakers and movers in PBA and 2 0f their Reps. I paid dues for over 20 years and when I retired I requested a lifetime membership and I could not even get any type of response from them. I have nothing in my name so a stinkin inmate can sue me all they want. I have been in the Court system with them and mostly it is just harassment. I personally do not care for the PBA, but I will pay dues to who ever represents us. That is one of the issues that plagues us in FDC. You ask how much the Teamsters spent. I have asked the PBA for years about the same and about salaries and never got a response. It is a business to make money off the dues PAYING members!!! But in Florida the non PAYING personnel get the same bennies. When the staff in FDC support their Bargaining Unit with dues then things will improve. Everyone has some good points but SUPPORT is what is needed.
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Post by lawton on May 5, 2013 10:15:50 GMT -5
I know the PBA built a beautiful new building for the Chapter in Palm Beach and they have a beautiful place in Miami. Did anyone ever see our building in Starke? I was personally present when deals were made for votes by the PBA (2nd Rally in Tally). I personally know 2 of the shakers and movers in PBA and 2 0f their Reps. I paid dues for over 20 years and when I retired I requested a lifetime membership and I could not even get any type of response from them. I have nothing in my name so a stinkin inmate can sue me all they want. I have been in the Court system with them and mostly it is just harassment. I personally do not care for the PBA, but I will pay dues to who ever represents us. That is one of the issues that plagues us in FDC. You ask how much the Teamsters spent. I have asked the PBA for years about the same and about salaries and never got a response. It is a business to make money off the dues PAYING members!!! But in Florida the non PAYING personnel get the same bennies. When the staff in FDC support their Bargaining Unit with dues then things will improve. Everyone has some good points but SUPPORT is what is needed. Heck it was in a newspaper article showing what the PBA gave to certain people/pacs etc. I don't have the numbers but my guess is the Teamsters are laughing about the dues they have gotten from FDOC and how little was actually used to get some influence from the people that control things in Tally. The PBA spent a lot of money trying to derail Scott knowing that he was openly saying he was coming after state employees. I disagree with you on things improving. We will get left out just like this year imo as long as we have the name Teamsters associated with us with this legislature which will control things for the next 3 years at least and that is even if we get Scott out of there as the legislature makes the budget not the Governor. |
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Post by lawton on May 5, 2013 13:26:40 GMT -5
Normally I would say that is true but we will be left behind getting no more than non-officer state employees as long as we have this union and its obvious from my ton of posts I have been saying that before they were even put in. I am convinced the quicker they are out the better. I would suggest people be a union member for legal protection at minimum. I also firmly believe we were left out of the extra raises this great budget year and screwed on special comp due to the Teamsters however and wouldn't have been with the same % membership with PBA because they spend their money to try to get extra unlike the Teamsters. I still would love to see where the Teamsters spent the dues - I think a whole lot of it went to things that don't lay the groundwork to ultimately benefit COs. You keep saying you'd like to see where they spent their money...well friggin ask them. None of us here are official treasurers of the Union. Implying that you know they misspent the dues money is hearsay, find out the facts: E-mail them. It may be hearsay but you aren't curious ?- heck it would give you ammo against my assumptions if it showed they were using much of the money wisely to influence the power players in the legislature to give us good outcomes on raises and special comp and the rest? Tell them to show what they have done to get us extra. They will probably get on top of giving you the real facts on that about as quick as they got on us getting screwed out of the extra officer raises the PBA Officers got where they finally got off that fantasy 7% raise for all state employees while the PBA was securing extra for their officers in the initial budget proposed. |
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