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Post by lawton on Feb 6, 2013 21:14:32 GMT -5
We will be getting a raise but we really need to push for an extra % also for senior people since we have no step plan.
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Post by lawton on Feb 6, 2013 21:55:17 GMT -5
We will be getting a raise but we really need to push for an extra % also for senior people since we have no step plan. Thats the Teamster position. No to the bonus system, and yes to the 7% across the board raise that affects retirement. There will be petitions circulating in the next few days that everyone needs to sign, whether you are for or against the Teamsters in general. I would hope we could get that but I think in reality the most we can get is maybe a 3% or 4% raise for everyone and an extra 2% or 3% for senior people that have a certain number of years. We need to stand against bonuses. |
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Post by lawton on Feb 7, 2013 20:46:25 GMT -5
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Post by lawton on Feb 8, 2013 17:00:46 GMT -5
I'd be happy if everyone got 7%....if he wants to add to that for seniority, I'm extremely OK with that! If they want to crap out an extra 2 or 3% for every 5 years of service as a step, that'd start to make up somewhat for all those years of nothing....for me at least! I guess how I view it I would rather see (just examples) an across the board 4% raise with a 3% seniority raise for officers at a cutoff level (The power players in the Senate seem to be stuck on the 7 year number for some reason) than I would an across the board 5% raise for everyone with no seniority raise. Seniority should mean something like it does big time in local sheriff agencies for corrections officers. |
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Post by lawton on Feb 12, 2013 18:15:34 GMT -5
Yep - every one needs to do this and contact their legislators to let them know. |
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Post by sfcwoodret on Feb 13, 2013 21:51:09 GMT -5
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Post by lawton on Feb 15, 2013 17:12:44 GMT -5
Yep they counted some chickens before they hatched but that shouldn't effect the raise issue to much imo anyway. |
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Post by lawton on Feb 16, 2013 10:03:32 GMT -5
Sen Gaetz and Sen Negron are the 2 main power players for the purse strings in the FL Senate and luckily they both are talking a raise and a seniority raise for State Law Enforcement ( I hope that means corrections also as Negron has mentioned corrections also). I just hope the Teamsters lobbyist is on top of this and makes sure we get a seniority raise also for seniority like other state officers get if they do. PBA is telling their officers that they are looking to get a 6% total across the board pay raise plus an extra 3% compression raise (9% total) for officers with 7 plus years. Privately they are saying they think they will pull a 4% across the board raise for their State Officers plus the 3% for 7 year plus Officers.
That 7% bill has almost no chance of passing for all state employees but its good its out there in the news as a negotiating point.
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Post by lawton on Feb 17, 2013 9:32:47 GMT -5
Sen Gaetz and Sen Negron are the 2 main power players for the purse strings in the FL Senate and luckily they both are talking a raise and a seniority raise for State Law Enforcement ( I hope that means corrections also as Negron has mentioned corrections also). I just hope the Teamsters lobbyist is on top of this and makes sure we get a seniority raise also for seniority like other state officers get if they do. PBA is telling their officers that they are looking to get a 6% total across the board pay raise plus an extra 3% compression raise (9% total) for officers with 7 plus years. Privately they are saying they think they will pull a 4% across the board raise for their State Officers plus the 3% for 7 year plus Officers. That 7% bill has almost no chance of passing for all state employees but its good its out there in the news as a negotiating point. Thats one of the problems I see. The two main bargaining units for law enforcement aren't talking to each other. Just like I say about us accomplishing more if we stand together, we could get more as a group if our CBA's all banded together in lockstep. Unfortunately for the short term at least there's just too much "Gator versus Seminole" mentality among the ranks for that. Video from Rep. Vasilinda about her bill fdocteamsters.org/payvideoI hope the teamsters are smart enough to be working with the main legislators to get corrections officers a seniority raise beyond what the rest of state employees are going to get. There is almost zero chance in reality of all state employees getting that 7% but there is a real good chance State LEO are going to get an extra 2-3% at least if they have some years in. The Teamsters might as well not even compete as they will be tossed out by a landslide if that happens as our bargaining unit. I will be the first to say I can live with the Teamsters now if they match the PBA Officers on raises but if they dont get the same results they need to be tossed out period. That is just reality imo. |
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Post by whiteE on Feb 18, 2013 12:16:13 GMT -5
Oh you mean like when only the State Troopers got that raise. Oh that type of separation (split) like every other LEO. Man we were really enraged.  Take your Teamster blinders off  7% ain't gonna fly. If your lucky you'll get a $1000 bonus, taxed like OT, like we did in 2007. We ain't never gonna get proper representation until we get proper participation and were not gonna get that until we get some concrete actions. |
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Post by whiteE on Feb 18, 2013 20:02:13 GMT -5
Let me splain something to you esa!! (a little humor don't get your panties in a wad)
It wasn't us, we, me, you, or ourselves. It started with our leadership (ie; Crosby and Clark) that started the ship sinking.
Participation yes, Leadership a must. You get your Teamsters together let's go to Tally and picket the DOC Secretary building and the Capital along with the legislature that's unity, get all the unified media attention like 99/00. That's participation and I don't need no damn COLLECTIVE BARGAINING UNIT MEMBERSHIP to do it. It only takes our brothers and sisters in brown and white, and there sure as hell ain't gonna be no throat cutting. Good active leadership reflects concrete action.
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Post by lawton on Feb 18, 2013 20:04:02 GMT -5
As for the Teamsters being tossed out...who would represent us after that? Has the PBA been passing out blue cards when I wasn't looking? IUPA? The Lollipop guild? If we lose the Teamsters, I'm pretty sure no one else is going to be that eager to step in ad represent our undeserving asses. Hopefully PBA if they get all state law enforcement an extra 2% or 3% for seniority if Corrections doesn't get it also.I can live with the Teamsters if they match what the PBA gets this year even after the special comp debacle but if we get screwed on seniority raises and the other State Officers get them they need to go and they will go - the vote wouldn't even be close after something like that happening. Is the Teamsters representing other state employees ? I don't know if they do or not but I hope we dont have a situation where they are just pushing the 7% bill which has almost zero chance of passing in reality and not extra seniority raises for CO's specifically because they dont want their other members pissed at them. Its a known fact the legislature when they do give something out will many times give extras to Officers including Corrections if lobbied properly. |
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Post by lawton on Feb 18, 2013 20:06:16 GMT -5
We're doing the 7% bill right now. If that doesn't leave the floor, then we'll be doing something else. No currently written bill that I know of has a step increase like you describe. If the step-pay type thing should then becomes a real item to be debated on the House floor, then I'm sure we'll be going for that since it would be the next best thing to HB289. Although people might be 'talking' about a step-pay plan, it hasn't been written as a bill yet as far as I know, so we aren't lobbying for something that doesn't exist. Thanks to us being listed as Law Enforcement, I seriously doubt we can be split from every other LEO group when it comes to raises, and I hope they realize that to even try would enrage us all beyond belief. For better or worse, I think all our fates are linked together as state employees. You do know Gaetz and Negron are the 2 most important players probably for the final budget as it usually is closer to the Senate than the House's version and they have specifically mentioned seniority pay being a problem for State Officers. I am sure they are being lobbied to include seniority raises for Officers ( The PBA I am sure is) - I hope our Teamster lobbyist is specifically lobbying for that. Nope - Troopers got that 5% that was yanked from everyone else that year and Corrections got a seniority raise FDLE and Troopers didnt get one year. It can easily be split if they aren't being lobbied properly. |
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Post by lawton on Feb 19, 2013 18:01:03 GMT -5
Nothing against you personally Drauka
Imo: The bottom line is that 7% for all state employees has almost no chance of happening at that % and the lobbyists better be on top of getting CO's a seniority raise also as it looks like the other State Officers are going to get that extra most likely. No excuse if they let us get passed over for an extra seniority raise just pushing the 7% bill which won't pass at that %.
Its not just Monday Morning QBing when you have the main guys that get bills passed and the final bills in their version to be voted on in the legislature saying seniority raises for state officers because its not right a new officer makes what a veteran makes but lately have been saying State LEO and not specifically saying corrections like a few weeks before. The Teamsters lobbyists need to be pushing the same with them or we could get screwed over big time. I still say it will be an across the board 3% or 4% pay raise probably but an extra 3% or so for seniority for Officers but the question is will Corrections get screwed out of the extra %.
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Post by lawton on Feb 19, 2013 20:35:18 GMT -5
Again Drauka nothing personally against you but this is starting to really scare me as it makes me think this is what they are pushing with Gaetz and Negron and them also and the House instead of being strategic. I hope I am wrong but the video below scares me. The PBA wisely (whether you like them or not) is smartly pushing for a compression raise on top of an across the board raise for their Officers that have seniority while the Teamsters is only pushing for an across the board raise (7% bill) it appears for all state employees that has about the same chance of passing as hell freezing over. I hope they get it together behind the scenes or we might get screwed while the PBA Officers get an extra 3% or so raise for their senior officers over the Teamster Officers with the same seniority. What the heck is lobbyist Silver and that Lady doing on the video ?They need to be pushing for a compression raise for Officers with seniority just like the PBA is. That is what the legislature is inclined to do when they have some money based on past years - give extra for Officer seniority on top of the raise for everyone else. Look at the Teamster website and the video below - Unbelievable imo. They better hurry up and get their act together or we will be screwed compared to the PBA Officers. PBA talks at about 56:08 and the Teamsters talk at about 68:10 on the video. thefloridachannel.org/video/21813-joint-select-committee-on-collective-bargaining/ |
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