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Post by lawton on Apr 28, 2013 9:19:37 GMT -5
I agree that the PBA has not shown their interest in being our bargaining unit again, but I also know one thing is for certain...... The teamsters SUCK as a law enforcement bargaining unit. I'm giving myself a law enforcement pay raise and dumping them tomorrow morning. At least the PBA always fought for raises for us, and when $ was available we always got something. Thanks for nothing teamsters. This is not a LEO/CO problem as some are framing it - its a union representative problem. We will be left out as long as we have the Teamsters. The PBA at least knows how to play the game and got us extra and a true raise over a bonus in past good years. We will never get more than other state employees with the Teamsters imo. The jury is no longer out - The Teamsters are a joke like I thought they would be. Still can't believe how many of us bought the BS from the truck drivers they sent to the facilities. "House and Senate budget negotiators Saturday agreed to raises for state workers, the first in six years. The deal would provide a $1,400 pay hike for state employees who make less than $40,000 a year and $1,000 for those who earn more than that. In addition, bonuses of up to $600 would be available as merit incentives, which would be available to up to 35 percent of employees. In a move sought by Senate budget chief Joe Negron, R-Stuart, the pay package unveiled Saturday includes an additional 3 percent pay raise for law enforcement officers working for state government, and another 2 percent pay hike for officers with more than five years’ experience. Negron said he wanted to raise salaries to help retain experienced officers, who are often hired away by municipal police forces once they get trained by the state."
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Post by lawton on Apr 28, 2013 9:21:31 GMT -5
I agree that the PBA has not shown their interest in being our bargaining unit again, but I also know one thing is for certain...... The teamsters SUCK as a law enforcement bargaining unit. I'm giving myself a law enforcement pay raise and dumping them tomorrow morning. At least the PBA always fought for raises for us, and when $ was available we always got something. Thanks for nothing teamsters. According to the House and Senate we aren't Law Enforcement, so the Teamsters should be fine. We are getting 'something'....just not the same 'something' as the rest of law enforcement.....maybe. We dont know for sure yet, still a few days before we'll know exactly what we're getting. Pretty sure we're getting 3%, and the rest of the LEO's are getting 3% with an additional amount based on time (3% or 5% depending). We got compression with the PBA in past good years like this one that is the problem here - The Teamsters are the problem and this result makes that crystal clear now.
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Post by metsfan on Apr 28, 2013 12:19:33 GMT -5
According to the House and Senate we aren't Law Enforcement, so the Teamsters should be fine. We are getting 'something'....just not the same 'something' as the rest of law enforcement.....maybe. We dont know for sure yet, still a few days before we'll know exactly what we're getting. Pretty sure we're getting 3%, and the rest of the LEO's are getting 3% with an additional amount based on time (3% or 5% depending). We got compression with the PBA in past good years like this one that is the problem here - The Teamsters are the problem and this result makes that crystal clear now. PBA wouldn't have gotten us the raises we would have needed. How many correctional officers do we have(25,000 corrections and probation) compared to other state LE agencies? How much would it cost to give us the same raises? If they won't support teachers and the cost to give them substantial raises, why would they do that for us? Problem is we are too big for our own good. We have the largest budget by far compared to other agencies. We are an agency full of uneducated dolts who continually are in the news for being arrested for DUI’s, DV, Drugs, and so on. Look what we do with our own equipment. Other agencies take pride, whereas different regions have different levels of pride. We are not united and we a mess. The most united we have ever been was when privatization was on the table. The ones to blame are the ones who vote along party lines rather then what the issues are. Teamsters cannot fix this. We only have what, less then 25% of membership for the teamsters? Why would the legislators care if they raised hell. PBA didn’t have large membership from us and for 5-6 years we lost more than we gained. At the end of the day, most who are against the Teamsters were also against the PBA. the very same canidates who are determined to bring us down
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Post by brucifer on Apr 28, 2013 14:04:18 GMT -5
metsfan, you got it right. Same ole deal. We are our worse enemy. We are just a necessary evil for the government and we will never be treated with any respect.
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Post by lawton on Apr 28, 2013 14:07:34 GMT -5
We got compression with the PBA in past good years like this one that is the problem here - The Teamsters are the problem and this result makes that crystal clear now. PBA wouldn't have gotten us the raises we would have needed. How many correctional officers do we have(25,000 corrections and probation) compared to other state LE agencies? How much would it cost to give us the same raises? If they won't support teachers and the cost to give them substantial raises, why would they do that for us? Problem is we are too big for our own good. We have the largest budget by far compared to other agencies. We are an agency full of uneducated dolts who continually are in the news for being arrested for DUI’s, DV, Drugs, and so on. Look what we do with our own equipment. Other agencies take pride, whereas different regions have different levels of pride. We are not united and we a mess. The most united we have ever been was when privatization was on the table. The ones to blame are the ones who vote along party lines rather then what the issues are. Teamsters cannot fix this. We only have what, less then 25% of membership for the teamsters? Why would the legislators care if they raised hell. PBA didn’t have large membership from us and for 5-6 years we lost more than we gained. At the end of the day, most who are against the Teamsters were also against the PBA. the very same canidates who are determined to bring us down PBA got me an extra 2% compression one year and an extra 3% compression raise another year over other state employees and a true raise instead of a bonus like other state employees one year before the economy crashed. Teachers are funded mostly by local property taxes and the state is giving them enough to get a 2,500 raise for one thing but are leaving the details to the counties who have to keep funding it after this year and trying to make some of it performance based . The state is giving 480 million dollars to the counties to fund teacher raises while refusing to give us 30 million to get what the PBA state people are getting.Yes they would have - just like they did in good budget years when there wasn't an extra 3 billion dollars lying around like this year. They needed about 30 million ( 1% of that 3 billion )to do it and refused to do so due to the politics of us having the Teamsters. We will continue to not get extra even in good years if they remain. I guess in a way it makes sense as most of them wouldn't even take a Teamsters political endorsement even if it was offered. You have to pay to play and only the PBA is doing that with the power players for its state officers like they should. We are screwed until we get rid of this joke union for Florida State officers. They can only work at the local level not the state level in a right to work state like Florida.
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Post by lawton on Apr 28, 2013 14:11:42 GMT -5
metsfan, you got it right. Same ole deal. We are our worse enemy. We are just a necessary evil for the government and we will never be treated with any respect. Explain the 2% and 3% extra compression I got as a CO before the economy crashed then and me getting a true raise when other state employees got only a one time bonus that year ? Those were in years they didn't have extra billions lying around like this year which are going into reserves instead of giving Teamsters represented officers anything extra.
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Post by lawton on Apr 28, 2013 15:21:14 GMT -5
Who says the PBA doesn't want us back? I've emailed them and they'd love to have us as soon as we regain our senses. My guess is the PBA is just sitting back waiting for reality to set in for some on what just happened and will continue to happen when there is extra in the budget. Q: What is the last thing Jesus Christ said to the FDOC Teamsters? A: "Don't do anything 'till I get back." ;D
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Post by highlander on Apr 28, 2013 17:42:09 GMT -5
Lawton, when I emailed the Pba they said that if and when we come to our senses then we could start passing out blue cards for an election.
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Post by lawton on Apr 28, 2013 19:12:54 GMT -5
Lawton, when I emailed the Pba they said that if and when we come to our senses then we could start passing out blue cards for an election. This crap has ticked me off so much that I would be willing to actively get people at my institution to sign cards. I have no desire to serve in any official role but I want these clowns out with a passion. I told fellow officers that the Teamsters would probably never get us anything extra even when the budget improved with the makeup of our legislature, which will be in place for 3 more years at least, and how they would spend the dues when the budget came around again but many were so mad (justifiably so I guess as we had got nothing for years after the economic turn and all the attacks that they wanted a change no matter what). I am just hoping we can get them out and next year is a decent budget year again so we can get extra again. And the people that hate Baiardi so bad need to let it go as it isn't worth getting screwed out of an extra $1,800 raise or whatever amount it is to them just because they hate him. I could care less as long as they are helping me out like they should. highlander, Once the session is over if you know cards may be going out let me know and I will be willing to get them signed where I am at.
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Post by highlander on Apr 28, 2013 20:25:39 GMT -5
I tried to warn people too Lawton but there's just no talking sense to some people.
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Post by whiteE on Apr 28, 2013 20:26:14 GMT -5
Metsfan: Most Law Enforcement agencies issue equipment to the Officer, therefore making them personally responsible for neglect.
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Post by whiteE on Apr 28, 2013 20:37:40 GMT -5
Also people don't forget the 2400.00 raise the teachers are getting and the raises the State Leo's are getting are Gov. Scotts' political ploy for re-election votes. However, as I have always said we should have never let PBA go. It's politics and they know the game, as for departmental discipline issue's they could be a little more productive. Last but not least if their an incumbent their out next election period.
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Post by Drauka on Jun 13, 2013 14:39:11 GMT -5
Update on that distracting lawsuit that lawton was talking about...the one that was BS and wouldnt do anything because it was already ruled on. www.teamster.org/content/teamsters-complaint-results-600000-settlement-correctional-officers(TAMPA, Fla.) – The U.S. Department of Labor is overseeing the award of a $603,237 settlement to current and retired employees of the State Prison Facility in Raiford after finding that more than 700 corrections officers were not being properly compensated. The settlement was in response to a complaint filed by the Teamsters Union in the fall of 2011 over wage and hour rules being violated by the Florida Department of Corrections (FDOC), triggering an extensive investigation. “When we began our statewide organizing campaign, we committed to the correctional officers that we would provide more effective workplace representation,” said Ken Wood, a Teamsters International Vice President and President of Teamsters Joint Council 75 in Tampa “While this case took over a year and a half to resolve because of the impact on many officers, I am pleased that our members will be made whole.” Both current and retired officers assigned to the State Prison Facility in Raiford will be receiving monetary payments or compensatory time off for overtime worked between December 2009 and December 2011. The Labor Department is working to ensure that FDOC complies with the terms of the settlement. “The settlement is a great benefit for correctional officers and recognizes the fact that preparing for duty after entering the facility is an essential part of the job,” said Teamsters Public Services Director Michael Filler. “This problem should not continue as the department has updated its timekeeping system to ensure that officers will be paid for all compensable time worked.” Founded in 1903, the Teamsters Union represents 1.4 million hardworking men and women throughout the United States, Canada and Puerto Rico including more than 260,000 public service employees. For more information, go to www.teamster.org or follow us on Facebook
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Post by lawton on Jun 13, 2013 16:48:14 GMT -5
Well if they were taking a half hour at Raiford they sure deserve it but my point still stands it was settled case law in FL you dont get extra pay for a few minutes like is the case at almost every other institution. When they pay all of us the Teamsters can claim there was a victory on that issue and not just BS talk mostly.
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Post by highlander on Jun 13, 2013 19:08:03 GMT -5
Only the officers who have quit are getting paid. The rest of us are getting special comp.
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